Let's Be Reality: Islam Is A Problem.

[Drip Bayless]

Good point, the world has gotten smaller and it's much easier for people and ideology to spread. The "peace" I'm talking about is relative because there's always going to be violence in the world,

but the Islamic world was much more stable prior to Western intervention and was the beacon of knowledge throughout the dark ages. Under the Ottoman Empire and after the European divisions which imposed arbitrary borders and destabilised the region aswell as involving them in the Cold War we saw the seeds of the turmoil that would come to fruition today.

What I'm referring to is the fact that there will always be people who manipulate religious doctrines for selfish reasons and from a purely logical perspective NO religion promotes violence against other. The problem lies with people and their interpretations not religion, I mean the guy who killed John Lennon justified it by reading the Catcher in the Rye.

This is debatable, I don't think it's true at all. For instance, the Hadith that Hamas uses: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews"

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Don't fukking quote or @ me bro Im not discussing this with you anymore.

Well at least argue like you have a fukking backbone and stop lying.

Islam is INHERENTLY violent in a literal translation of the quran and hadith.

 

[BocaRear]

When you say religion itself is neither a positive or negative thing, I go back and forth on that. On one hand I want to agree, and no matter what I ultimately decide, I believe everyone should have the freedom to practice whatever religion they want. If it brings spiritual and personal growth and isn't hurting anyone, go for it. But sometimes when I think from an objective point of view, I wonder if the world might be a little farther along without it. I don't know. I'm not trying to cop out.

Part of me realizes the need for religion, and that it had/has its place to bind people together and foster a sense of community in a harsh world where people need to stick together with common values in order to survive. On the other hand I wonder how much it has held back scientific progress, and I do think there's a lot of backwards thinking held by people on the extreme ends of Christianity, Islam, etc.

This is just stuff I wonder. Again I don't think anyone should be told they can't practice their religion of choice. I'll post more. Good discussion.

Religion is a totally personal thing and should not be forcibly imposed on people, I don't think religion is inherently good or bad but the way people interpret doctrines is usually where a lot of problems stem from. Manipulative people have used religion to justify murder, slavery and oppression, religion in the wrong hands is very dangerous and can lead to all sorts of issues. Regardless of religious belief there will always be those who exploit religion to do what they want.

However, religion has given us the Renaissance and inspired art, poetry and innovation. There are avenues which science doesn't explore due to its empirical and cold methods, where human faith and philosophy have to explore.

Just keeping your mind open and exploring all avenues will help humanity develop the way it should. Being a religious zealot or a pretentious atheist are two sides of the same coin and society in my opinion requires more balanced open minded individual.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Religion is a totally personal thing and should not be forcibly imposed on people, I don't think religion is inherently good or bad but the way people interpret doctrines is usually where a lot of problems stem from. Manipulative people have used religion to justify murder, slavery and oppression, religion in the wrong hands is very dangerous and can lead to all sorts of issues. Regardless of religious belief there will always be those who exploit religion to do what they want.

However, religion has given us the Renaissance and inspired art, poetry and innovation. There are avenues which science doesn't explore due to its empirical and cold methods, where human faith and philosophy have to explore.

Just keeping your mind open and exploring all avenues will help humanity develop the way it should. Being a religious zealot or a pretentious atheist are two sides of the same coin and society in my opinion requires more balanced open minded individual.

art doesn't have to originate from mythology

 

[BocaRear]

This is debatable, I don't think it's true at all. For instance, the Hadith that Hamas uses: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews"

This is a quote in the context of a war between Muslims and Jews,

Islam strictly forbids murder of innocent lives regardless of religion and even in battle it is forbidden to kill unarmed soldiers.

 

[BocaRear]

art doesn't have to originate from mythology

Referring to religion as mythology is insulting, Are you an atheist or an agnostic?

 

[theworldismine13]

This is one of the crucial things the same people condemning Islam will happily ignore. If you had never met a Christian or a Muslim, and read the Old Testament and Medinan surahs, you'd look up at the end like, baffled that the texts people have dedicated so much of their lives to, condones and preaches violence, misogyny, and slavery
Christianity and Islam are both dogmatically fukked up, but Christians are given freedom of interpretation regardless of a track record that shows they have more in common with the Christians of the Old Testament.

well the thing is when you look at at things from a very very broad historical perspective, what happens is that we are living in the time when christianity/europeans have just finished conquering the world ie post colonialism, so now european christians and their descendants in north america can have the luxury of taking a more refined perspective and now islam seems backwards

1000 years ago it was the opposite, islam was conquering and open minded and reformist (relatively to the rest of the world)

but essentially its the same thing, the christians are actually following in the footsteps of islam and we are living in the time period when europeans conquering are over and a lot countries are chaffing and wanting to be on top

but its important to keep in mind that muslims chaffing under the yoke of european imperialism is not some victim being oppressed, its simply muslims want to get back on top, to a large degree muslims are a defeated empire that wants its crown back, and isreal is the battleground for that...

but anyways, this is off topic but this movie is really good, just because it shows the real origins of christianity, which is an oppressive, backwards and terrorist movement trying to advance itself through the state, just like radical muslims are today



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full movie

 

[Drip Bayless]

Referring to religion as mythology is insulting, Are you an atheist or an agnostic?

They aren't mutually exclusive

 

[BocaRear]

They aren't mutually exclusive

An atheist believes staunchly there is No God.
Whereas an agnostic is not entirely sure there is a God or not.

What do you consider yourself?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Referring to religion as mythology is insulting, Are you an atheist or an agnostic?

I DO NOT give a fukk.

Its mythology.

People have emotional attachments to it, but I bear no responsibility, at least on The Coli...a message board, of pretending to care how much reverence you have for your particular brand of unsubstantiated superstition in whatever preferred flavor you were raised and trained to adopt.

 

[BocaRear]

I DO NOT give a fukk.

Its mythology.

People have emotional attachments to it, but I bear no responsibility, at least on The Coli...a message board, of pretending to care how much reverence you have for your particular brand of unsubstantiated superstition in whatever preferred flavor you were raised and trained to adopt.

Do you outright believe that there is no such thing as God?

 

[Drip Bayless]

This is a quote in the context of a war between Muslims and Jews,

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't aren't the Hadiths standalone quotes from Muhammad? If the hadith in response to something could you show me?

Islam strictly forbids murder of innocent lives regardless of religion and even in battle it is forbidden to kill unarmed soldiers

Wouldn't be the first time dogma contradicted itself

 

[Drip Bayless]

An atheist believes staunchly there is No God.
Whereas an agnostic is not entirely sure there is a God or not.

What do you consider yourself?

there is a BIG difference between belief and knowledge. Theism addresses belief and gnosticism addresses knowledge. I am an agnostic atheist, I don't believe there is a god but there is no way for me to know for sure so I am also agnostic.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

An atheist believes staunchly there is No God.
Whereas an agnostic is not entirely sure there is a God or not.

What do you consider yourself?

False...you all keep misunderstanding this and its really very simple. Stop repeating this dumb shyt.

Atheism is a LACK of belief in god. Its not asserting that there is no god. It saying based on lack of evidence you don't subscribe to the claim, not the assertion that there is no god. Big difference.

Theism = belief.

Agnosticism is not knowing if a god exists.

Gnosticism = Knowing.

We're all agnostics.

Some are agnostic-atheists, some are agnostic-theists.

The terms are mutually exclusive....agnosticism has no bearing on it. Agnosticism isn't a "middle ground"

It answers two different questions:

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Do you outright believe that there is no such thing as God?

There is no evidence to suggest that there is one.

I can not assert, philosophically or using agreed-upon rules of logic, reliably that "there is no god"...I can't prove a negative.

Its the problem of induction: Problem of induction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia