let's come to a genuine consensus about who the better producer is. dr. dre or the rza

[NegaDuck]

Rza...he made a specific plan and executed that shyt....till this day that flood is the saddest shyt ever...all those beats...I bet Meths original first album was insane

 

[kendoll]

rza man

 

[JustCKing]

I think that the whole "well, RZA did it all by himself" thing is a cop-out. For starters, music production is a collaborative effort. It's the artist, producer, and if needed, musician(s) working together to create. Most Hip Hop producers can't play instruments so they hire session players. Sometimes those session players have a more musical ear and offer additional expertise, which is how they end up with co-producer credits. Production entails more than someone making a beat. A lot of times, you are working with artists who have potential, but lack direction and discipline. Production is polishing that artist and tightening loose ends to get the best out of the artist. No, that doesn't change for Hip Hop because the same applies. A lot of the artists we look at as great, wouldn't be as great if they didn't have a producer that helped mold and shape their sound. It's why people prefer hearing their favorite artists with certain producers.

Dre not only brings the best out of artists. He's done the same with the co-producers he's worked with. Scott Storch's, Mel-Man's, Mike Elizondo's, Daz's, Mark Batson's, Dawaun Parker's etc. best Hip Hop productions have whose name credited as the main producer?

That said, given the catalog, impact, and influence, Dre wins. Dr. Dre is the Michael Jordan of Hip Hop production. Jordan didn't win any of his six rings by his lonely, but everybody on the court brought their A game because they were playing on the same court. He brought the best out of them.

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

Dre is a better producer.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Dre was a producer in more of the traditional music sense rather than the hip-hop sense, though. Hard to compare.

This and Dre has hits and not a bunch of cult classics.

 

[Yehuda]

Dre.

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

I personally think what Dre does takes more skill.

 

[TheRtist]

Dre didn't make that shyt . Check the credits

no beat sounds the same before Dre touches it.

Snoop said it himself. Daz made the beat but Dre took that bih to whole nother level.

 

[TheRtist]

I personally think what Dre does takes more skill.

and natural ears/intuition

 

[onlylno]

no beat sounds the same before Dre touches it.

Snoop said it himself. Daz made the beat but Dre took that bih to whole nother level.

1. You can't really compare Daz's cassette demos to a fully mastered piece of work.

2. Dre's genius lies in his mixing and at times adding a little flair to the beat. Still, it doesn't warrant getting the primary production credit on a track.

 

[Mess World]

Dre is the best producer on a coast

Rza's not even top 8 on his coast

He's under Primo, Lord Finesse, Q Tip, Large Pro, Marley Marl, Diamond D, Erick Sermon and the Beat Minerz who blow him out the water


Rza is tied with havoc

 

[I love Latina women]

I think that the whole "well, RZA did it all by himself" thing is a cop-out. For starters, music production is a collaborative effort. It's the artist, producer, and if needed, musician(s) working together to create. Most Hip Hop producers can't play instruments so they hire session players. Sometimes those session players have a more musical ear and offer additional expertise, which is how they end up with co-producer credits. Production entails more than someone making a beat. A lot of times, you are working with artists who have potential, but lack direction and discipline. Production is polishing that artist and tightening loose ends to get the best out of the artist. No, that doesn't change for Hip Hop because the same applies. A lot of the artists we look at as great, wouldn't be as great if they didn't have a producer that helped mold and shape their sound. It's why people prefer hearing their favorite artists with certain producers.

Dre not only brings the best out of artists. He's done the same with the co-producers he's worked with. Scott Storch's, Mel-Man's, Mike Elizondo's, Daz's, Mark Batson's, Dawaun Parker's etc. best Hip Hop productions have whose name credited as the main producer?

That said, given the catalog, impact, and influence, Dre wins. Dr. Dre is the Michael Jordan of Hip Hop production. Jordan didn't win any of his six rings by his lonely, but everybody on the court brought their A game because they were playing on the same court. He brought the best out of them.

that's a powerful analogy, but i get exactly what you sayin'

 

[stealthbomber]

Dre is the best producer on a coast

Rza's not even top 8 on his coast

He's under Primo, Lord Finesse, Q Tip, Large Pro, Marley Marl, Diamond D, Erick Sermon and the Beat Minerz who blow him out the water


Rza is tied with havoc

@mobbinfms

 

[TrebleMan]

I think that the whole "well, RZA did it all by himself" thing is a cop-out. For starters, music production is a collaborative effort. It's the artist, producer, and if needed, musician(s) working together to create. Most Hip Hop producers can't play instruments so they hire session players. Sometimes those session players have a more musical ear and offer additional expertise, which is how they end up with co-producer credits. Production entails more than someone making a beat. A lot of times, you are working with artists who have potential, but lack direction and discipline. Production is polishing that artist and tightening loose ends to get the best out of the artist. No, that doesn't change for Hip Hop because the same applies. A lot of the artists we look at as great, wouldn't be as great if they didn't have a producer that helped mold and shape their sound. It's why people prefer hearing their favorite artists with certain producers.

Dre not only brings the best out of artists. He's done the same with the co-producers he's worked with. Scott Storch's, Mel-Man's, Mike Elizondo's, Daz's, Mark Batson's, Dawaun Parker's etc. best Hip Hop productions have whose name credited as the main producer?

That said, given the catalog, impact, and influence, Dre wins. Dr. Dre is the Michael Jordan of Hip Hop production. Jordan didn't win any of his six rings by his lonely, but everybody on the court brought their A game because they were playing on the same court. He brought the best out of them.

great post. This is pretty much what I was implying.

 

[stealthbomber]

I think that the whole "well, RZA did it all by himself" thing is a cop-out. For starters, music production is a collaborative effort. It's the artist, producer, and if needed, musician(s) working together to create. Most Hip Hop producers can't play instruments so they hire session players. Sometimes those session players have a more musical ear and offer additional expertise, which is how they end up with co-producer credits. Production entails more than someone making a beat. A lot of times, you are working with artists who have potential, but lack direction and discipline. Production is polishing that artist and tightening loose ends to get the best out of the artist. No, that doesn't change for Hip Hop because the same applies. A lot of the artists we look at as great, wouldn't be as great if they didn't have a producer that helped mold and shape their sound. It's why people prefer hearing their favorite artists with certain producers.

Dre not only brings the best out of artists. He's done the same with the co-producers he's worked with. Scott Storch's, Mel-Man's, Mike Elizondo's, Daz's, Mark Batson's, Dawaun Parker's etc. best Hip Hop productions have whose name credited as the main producer?

That said, given the catalog, impact, and influence, Dre wins. Dr. Dre is the Michael Jordan of Hip Hop production. Jordan didn't win any of his six rings by his lonely, but everybody on the court brought their A game because they were playing on the same court. He brought the best out of them.

not mad at this at all

but there is something to be said about a one man band man

dre is a more traditional super producer

i disagree that dre has more influence than rza, if you consider rza "wu tang" i'd say in terms of hip hop he's at least as influential if not more


dre surely has more clout and success than rza but track for track i'd say he produced just as many classic songs as dre