Let's discuss the true meaning behind the Bible

[EndDomination]

The Book of Enoch was considered 'heretical' as it posited the 'Watchers' as 'divine beings'. The other books were 'intertestamental literature' and used for historical reference, but not authoritatively in the way the canonized Books were. Since the Hebrews didn't canonize them, neither did Christians.​

I'm pretty familiar with it - and you're quite right. I think there's a divorce between formal religious beliefs and those held by the majority of people. The Hebrews and Jews of the time would have been incredibly familiar with the Book of Enoch, but the formal religious leaders considered the writings heretical. It didn't change their influence.

I think the same is true today, many popular religious concepts and beliefs are looked down upon by formal religious bodies. Black theology in the West is centered on a mix of pre-Christian superstitions and Baptist/Methodist/Episcopal teachings.

You're just as likely to hear quotes from MLK Jr. and the Book of Common Prayer as you are to hear the Sermon on the Mount.

 

[Aviso]

ALL RIGHT LET'S CLEAR SOME THINGS UP HERE




I see some believe that the Bible says that man is God. I probably need to go ahead and make a completely new thread explaining this, but I will start here.

The problem with the English translations of the bible is that some things are lost in translation
You must to have the right perspective when you view the scriptures.


Psalm 82 is not talking about mankind
There is a divine assembly that Yahweh Elohim "Lord God" presides over and judges. He judges the beney elohim (sons of God) that he put over the nations of the earth. Yahweh Elohim takes responsibility for the nation of Israel. The beney elohim are and will be judged for their corrupt rule over the rest of the nations of the earth....


If you're a man, you do not want to be a part of this anyway. It says they (beney elyon "sons of The Most High") shall die like men, which means they are not men....They are going to get punished like men for how things turned out on the Earth.



Yahweh Elohim is going to use all of this to restore the nations back under His control. This is where you know what happens in the spiritual realm affects the physical realm.

Let's get into the word "elohim"......A lot of times in scripture the word God or gods come from the word "elohim" in the original Hebrew language. The word doesn't always mean Yahweh....That word is really describing a place of residence in the spiritual world. All spirits are some form of elohim in the spiritual world. They dwell in the spirit realm. Mankind dwells in the physical realm with a physical body........That's why when you see in Genesis how the beney elohim "sons of god" left their original abode or "dwelling place" and created nephilim with the women of the earth, it has the meaning that the angels took on physical bodies to do that evil act polluting the human genetic pool.....That's why Yahweh Elohim "Lord God" had to send the flood to wipe out the polluted race of people.......

"Yahweh" is the term only used for the true God in scripture. Yahweh is translated as "Lord". He's the Master of everything.


Now this is deep stuff and enhances your view of the scripture and really it can be explained in it's own book by itself.....

I am not saying man is THE God. I am saying that we are all sons of God and we're manifested to express God in action or have the consciousness or imagination of the creator. However, if man believes that he is separate from this awareness, then Psalm 82 is saying that you will die in this physical form of unawareness of believing that you're merely flesh.

Let's look closely at Psalm 82.

Psalm 82 King James Version
82 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

This verse is saying that God can be found as an aggregation of spiritual ideas in individual consciousness. To establish the church, or ecclesia, of God in man, a new state of consciousness must be formed. So God will go about judging his children to change our negative thinking. Judgement is the universal something in us of which we all are conscious, that tells us when we are doing right and when we are doing wrong. It may be defined as the innate knowing of right and wrong, and this knowing may be quickened, cultivated by God.

2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

God is saying that man continues in this unaware state of being, acting wicked, sinful and filled with pride and fear. Afflicting the needy and causing much pain and suffering for essentially no reason.

5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

God is basically saying that although we are made in his image, some believe that they are separate from God. That is why many people attach themselves to the things or sinful ways of this world. However, God can quicken the spirit and renew one's Godly spirit through faith and releasing the old state of being. This quickening does not come by the study of material things, but by concentrating the mind on the Christ.

This brings us to the realization of what Jesus meant when He said, "The Son of man shall come in his glory . . . and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left." The Son of man is the divine power in man. It is that in us which knows. The Son of man is not far away, and His "angels" are with Him. Angels are true concepts of the Absolute. Every man has within himself the sheep and the goats. The goats are thoughts of opposition, resistance, stubbornness. All of these must be separated from the true when the Son of man comes into the individual consciousness of the glory of the Father. The real man is the spiritual man, the I AM, and when it comes into dominion in any person a great judgment work, a great day of sifting and separation, goes on in the mind and the body and the outer world of that person.

 

[EndDomination]

Its an allegorical ancient book full of stories that were exaggerated metaphorical tales

I agree - but there is some useful history and concepts of government in there.

The Bible is essentially one of the earliest "books" with a theory of government and political philosophy

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

why is a "middle man" needed to find the god that is within? Even in the bible, it alluded to man being god..

There was no 'middle man' and the text doesn't allude to 'man being g-d' (Genesis 3, Psalms 82, John 10). If you really think this is what is documented, then you totally misunderstand Hebrew/Christian theology.​

 

[Peter Popoff]

Explain revelations please.

 

[Chrishaune]

I am not saying ........

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Your understanding of that scripture is off breh. It clearly explains itself when you look at the original language it was written in. Hebrew.......



I already recommended the book. I will say it again

"The Unseen Realm" by Michael S. Heiser

explains the chapter you're trying to explain with a perspective of how the ancient people it was written by would view it.

We are not "elohim" and that word is used clearly in the original Hebrew language in Psalm 82.....We live in a physical body on earth. Yes Yahweh can dwell in us as a temple if we accept Him, but we don't have the unique attributes of The Most High within ourselves.

Yahweh is unique and the only true God. You have to understand the meaning of the words used in scripture.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

This verse is saying that God can be found as an aggregation of spiritual ideas in individual consciousness.

False. That is YHWH addressing the 'Divine Council' and, since you don't get what's going on in that verse, the rest of your reasoning similarly fails. It might go over well if you were preaching to a congregation, however, but it is still eisegetical rather than exegetical and, thus, invalid for interpretation.​

 

[JuvenileHell]

Bible = ducktales

Believe in God brehs

 

[UpAndComing]

I agree - but there is some useful history and concepts of government in there.

The Bible is essentially one of the earliest "books" with a theory of government and political philosophy

True. But that is the danger of a Book that is loosely factual and metaphorical. It can be used as a weapon. This is the main book that was used for European Imperialism of the world

 

[Aviso]

Explain revelations please.

The book of Revelations is an illustration of the redeemed man or OUR return to self-actualization; that we are one with God. I AM now making known that which is hidden:

In the Book of Revelations, the resurrected and ascended Jesus Christ showed himself to John in symbolical form, and then explained to him the symbology in verse 20. The purpose of the body is to demonstrate the presence of God. It is thus likened unto a church by prophets and Scripture writers. When Jesus commended the spiritual discernment of Peter, who saw him as the Son of God, and said, “Upon this rock will I build my church,” he referred to his body. He also compared it to the temple in Jerusalem, which was a church.

When man crucifies the personality and kills out all human selfishness, his thoughts are resolved into Divine Ideas, and his body takes on its true character – which is a manifestation of Divine Intelligence. In this estate man is not confined to a body of form and shape. He has centers of consciousness around which he can make a form, if he so desires, but this is to bring his presence to the comprehension of the sense man only.

 

[Aviso]

Bible = ducktales

Believe in God brehs

God is within you. So what you're saying is that you don't believe in yourself. I believe in the God in you! I hope you come to see your own light bro! Peace

 

[EndDomination]

Explain revelations please.

It's an apocalyptic book written by an Early Christian theologian. It's both a description of the societal degradation they see around them and a concept of what they see as the end times - wrapped in several centuries of Hebrew folklore and allegory.

It's the religious equivalent of The Matrix - a brilliantly imaginative work that is deeply connected to the culture and religion of the time.

St. Augustine walks through a bit of it in the City of God.

 

[EndDomination]

True. But that is the danger of a Book that is loosely factual and metaphorical. It can be used as a weapon. This is the main book that was used for European Imperialism of the world

I agree with you completely.

I'm a fan of the liberation theology that came up in Latin America and Africa in the late 20th century to oppose colonialism and imperialism.

 

[UpAndComing]

I agree with you completely.

I'm a fan of the liberation theology that came up in Latin America and Africa in the late 20th century to oppose colonialism and imperialism.

I guess I'm the opposite. I'm a fan of Colonialism and Imperialism of the 16th Century all the way until the mid 20th century

I like reverse Engineering shyt to see where we as people went wrong and how we can combat the situation

The problem I have with alot of Liberation theology (In my opinion), is that it gets clouded with CAC interlopers who want to see halt any Black uprising

 

[Aviso]

Your understanding of that scripture is off breh. It clearly explains itself when you look at the original language it was written in. Hebrew.......



I already recommended the book. I will say it again

"The Unseen Realm" by Michael S. Heiser

explains the chapter you're trying to explain with a perspective of how the ancient people it was written by would view it.

We are not "elohim" and that word is used clearly in the original Hebrew language in Psalm 82.....We live in a physical body on earth. Yes Yahweh can dwell in us as a temple if we accept Him, but we don't have the attributes of The Most High within ourselves.

Yahweh is unique and the only true God. You have to understand the meaning of the words used in scripture.

If I am off then explain Jesus' explanation in John 10:30-38, because he was attacked for saying the same thing that I AM saying using the same logic that you're using. Hmm.

30 I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.