lets end this biggie is a better rapper than pac phenom now

[the rhyme king]

I don't give a fukk
They done push me to the limit I'm all in
I might blow up any minute, did it again
Now I'm in the back of the paddy wagon
While this cops bragging about the nikka he's jackin
I see no justice
All I see is nikkas dying fast
The sound of a gun blast
Then watch the hurst past
Just another day in the life 'G'
Gotta step lightly cause cops tried to snippe me
The catch, they don't wanna stop at the brother man
But then they'll have an accident and pick up another man
I went to the bank to cash my cheque
I get more respect from the mother-fukkin' dope man
The Grammy's and the American music shows pimp us like hoes
They got dough but they hate us though
You better keep your mind on the real shyt
And fukk trying to get with these crooked ass hypocrites
They way they see it, we was meant to be keep down
Just can't understand why we getting respect now
Mama told me they're be days like this
But I'm pissed cause it stays like this
And now they trying to send me off to Kuwait
Gimme a break
How much shyt can a nikka take
I ain't goin' nowhere no how
What you wanna throw down
Better bring your guns pal
Cause this is the day we make 'em pay
fukk bailin' hate I bail and spray with my A-K
And even if they shoot me down
There'll be another nikka bigger
from the mother-fukkin' underground
So step but you better step quick
Cause the clocks goin' tick and I'm sick of the bullshyt
You're watching the makings of a physco-path
The truth didn't last
Before the wrath and aftermath
Who's that behind the trigger?
Who'd do your figure!?
A mother-fukkin night nikka
Ready to buck and rip shyt up
I had enough and I don't give a fukk

 

[nineteeneightysix]

Probably one of the most misinformed posts I've seen on here to be honest.
Biggie is quoted like crazy, he honestly may be in the top 2-3 quoted rappers of all time in terms of peoples' actual songs.

Prodigy is quoted like CRAZY...Popular movies are quoted like CRAZY...Being quoted does not mean you changed the trajectory of the game in very significant way...Let me give you an example, even though "mixtapes" have existed before, when 50 Cent came through, he changed the whole concept of the mixtape and how it should be used to market and promote a bigger agenda...

Now look at hip hop today and the whole mixtape tactic...That's mostly 50 Cent's doing, he created a whole new avenue for rappers to eat...

Now you give me an example of what Biggie did that shifted in whole new direction..?

Plus, the entire Life After Death setup - the way commercialism with production/hooks and raw street shyt were combined at once, both in the same songs and in separate records - was basically a template for how rap albums were attempted to be made in the years after that.

Rappers been doing that...LL Cool J been doing that...NWA been doing that...KRS One been doing that...2Pac been doing that, have you listened to "Strictly For My N_ggaz"...?

"Holla If You Hear Me" Street Record...

"I get around" Commercial song

"Keep Your Head Up" Commercial Positive song about women

"Papa's song" Insightful song about the lack of positive male leadership in the inner city black communities....

The album was very successful in its time...So, what is this formula that Biggie so pioneered...?

Biggie didn't cause a shift in the game...He was a good player who did good numbers, but none of the significant rappers of that time way riding the Biggie wave...Name albums that where heavily influenced by "Life After Death"...?

Biggie was a great rapper...NO DOUBT...But he didn't impact the game the way Snoop, Pac, Jay Z, Nas, Eminem, 50 Cent, Rakim, KRS One, Kool G Rap and etc did...

 

[King Biko]

Pac's music was structured more like a song. If he wasn't rapping his voice could almost be like that of a singer with his emotion. That's not to say Pac couldn't spit or that he was some emo rapper like Drake. that's just saying his emotions were expressed in his songs way more than Biggie's. I also feel like when it came to straight wit, spitting and cleverness BIG wins hands down. He was just wittier, even funnier at how he got his point across.

if Big and Pac were your family members Pac would be that militant brother pseudo revolutionary type that sat down and gave you a lecture about the problems. he's great at giving you speeches and making you see the bigger picture....IN THE MOMENT.

Big is like that fun first cousin that you love when he comes to town. he's funny, has a good time, always has a great story to tell (ha) and also helps you understand what life can be about in action.

To me BIG just had better lines that were more exciting with better imagery. he may not have had the skill or desire to express himself or bare himself like Pac did but he always gave BIG in every lyrical performance. whether he was suicidal, warning some nikkas not to fukk with him, or fukking a bytch. it was always BIG. Pac was just here and there and everywhere with his shyt. one minute he's down for his nikkas, then he can't trust his nikkas, then it's peace to the babies, then it's fukk bytches. i'm not knocking Pac, but lyrically BIG was just more consistent with what he spit as well as what he personified. they both were great, but like another poster said anyway, they've been dead well over 10 years. it's not even a real debate anymore.

I admit big was a lot more witty but I feel like PAC had better imagery. I agree with a lot of what u said but pac's music was more all over the place because he made songs from real emotions, some times nikkas feel like they can't trust nobody, sometimes they love they nikkas, sometimes u wanna be up under yo bytch, sometimes u wish that bytch was dead, sometimes the world seems great sometimes it ain't etc. those contradictions come through life experiences and that's what he was rapping about. And that nikka voice and emotion was amazing (no homo) but I think nikkas let it over shadow his lyrics and it shouldn't.

 

[Layla Hunnam]

Big went crazy on them tracks I'm not gone flex both classics from the lyrics to two of the best beats ever and blasphemy is not as classic as them song but I wouldn't say they are more lyrical

Maybe...

 

[JBold]

I'm not taking anything away from big that nikka is worth everything they say about him, one of the dopest we will ever hear even ever.

This thread is for nikkas who always say that big was so much more lyrical than PAC and nikkas only like PAC cuz he was emotional type shyt, when infact he was better lyrically than big. At least to me. I be wanting to know why nikkas say it instead of them just saying as fact with no explanation

Just my opinion. It can't be proven because it isn't a fact. I just think Biggie was more talented with putting words together than PAC. I however think PAC was a better all around artist and partially because I feel I can relate to PAC more.

 

[King Biko]

Just my opinion. It can't be proven because it isn't a fact. I just think Biggie was more talented with putting words together than PAC. I however think PAC was a better all around artist and partially because I feel I can relate to PAC more.

I respect that. And I know it will never be fact but I can't keep watching nikka try to shyt on pac's lyrics

 

[JBold]

Never would shyt on PAC lyrics, he's one of the greats and most inspiring people ever.

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

I admit big was a lot more witty but I feel like PAC had better imagery. I agree with a lot of what u said but pac's music was more all over the place because he made songs from real emotions, some times nikkas feel like they can't trust nobody, sometimes they love they nikkas, sometimes u wanna be up under yo bytch, sometimes u wish that bytch was dead, sometimes the world seems great sometimes it ain't etc. those contradictions come through life experiences and that's what he was rapping about. And that nikka voice and emotion was amazing (no homo) but I think nikkas let it over shadow his lyrics and it shouldn't.

but Pac's lyrics were ALWAYS like that. Imagine if Jay, Nas or Ye constantly spit about the fact they can't trust anybody. I swear that was like 40% of Pac's content throughout his career. What type of nikka throughout his life is always having problems trusting people? A person that can't trust himself. That's why I feel as though he had those inconsistencies because he always switched up. BIG was consistent with his crew until the day that he died. That's not to take a personal shot but alot of that emotional shyt Pac went through he brought on himself. He was an emotional gemini nikka and I know exactly how those types get down from personal experience. He was emotional because of his actions....and that's cool because he put it in songs, but you have to ask why was there always so much untrustworthyness in him and around him. after awhile you have to look at your own actions and stop blaming everyone else. when i hear big i hear a person who knew himself and his surroundings and when i hear pac i hear paranoia.

 

[King Biko]

but Pac's lyrics were ALWAYS like that. Imagine if Jay, Nas or Ye constantly spit about the fact they can't trust anybody. I swear that was like 40% of Pac's content throughout his career. What type of nikka throughout his life is always having problems trusting people? A person that can't trust himself. That's why I feel as though he had those inconsistencies because he always switched up. BIG was consistent with his crew until the day that he died. That's not to take a personal shot but alot of that emotional shyt Pac went through he brought on himself. He was an emotional gemini nikka and I know exactly how those types get down from personal experience. He was emotional because of his actions....and that's cool because he put it in songs, but you have to ask why was there always so much untrustworthyness in him and around him. after awhile you have to look at your own actions and stop blaming everyone else. when i hear big i hear a person who knew himself and his surroundings and when i hear pac i hear paranoia.

Well his family structure wasn't as strong as biggies. He was setup to be shot and wrongly accused of sexual assault and had to go to prison onto of being a Gemini. I can see why his music was that way. If u listen to his first 2 albums they were more about black unity and shyt like that but after that he had some moments that will change yo opinion on life. I feel the same way when I listen to some of 50 shyt.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

so we gonna act like drill music is anything more than trap music on a budget

what the fukk is remotely groundbreaking about that shyt what exactly was there to 'pioneer'

That's how change occurs...Trap Music came from Crunk Music...

Nobody is talking groundbreaking...You can have an impact without it being groundbreaking...

Because of Chief Keef's relative commercial success, a lot of new young rappers from Chicago in that Drill Culture are going to be eating well...That's impact...

It doesn't have to be positive or negative...Impact changes and influences the game...

When Biggie was doing it, there weren't a million and one other Biggies out there trying to eat off his flow...

Am I lying...?

 

[the cac mamba]

Am I lying...?

nah

what can i say tho, seein BIG and chief keef even mentioned in the same sentence gave me an immediate

 

[King Biko]

nah

what can i say tho, seein BIG and chief keef even mentioned in the same sentence gave me an immediate

I can't believe how this nikka just broke down chief keef being more impactful than big and actually made sense, hell chief keef don't even make sense. Bravo sir, u need 2 be a lawyer

 

[the cac mamba]

I can't believe how this nikka just broke down chief keef being more impactful than big and actually made sense, hell chief keef don't even make sense. Bravo sir, u need 2 be a lawyer

well his statement is 'theres gonna be a lot of young drill rappers who are eating', when the fukk did that happen? like who?

and i guess he has to define eating as opposed to shooting youtube videos

 

[King Biko]

well his statement is 'theres gonna be a lot of young drill rappers who are eating', when the fukk did that happen? like who?

and i guess he has to define eating as opposed to shooting youtube videos

Never know them nikkas might be getting show money and shyt.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Explain post examples

Biggie from a technical stand point is top notch, his ability to rhyme words is superior to Tupac's. You can hear it in songs like Notorious Thugs. You can hear it in those freestyles he did on The Wake Up Show and old battles they have recorded of his. Even on stage together Biggie's verse was much better than Tupac's.

When it comes to making deeper songs, with deeper meanings Tupac has him beat. While Biggie was good at making rap songs about hustling crack and making money they are not very deep songs across his catalog minus maybe suicidal thoughts. Even then that was a more personal record. Not more of a broad record that speaks on social issues across the board. They don't compare to 'Dear Mr President' 'Dear Mama' 'Keep Ya Head Up' "Brenda Has A Baby' etc.