lets end this biggie is a better rapper than pac phenom now

[King Biko]

Biggie from a technical stand point is top notch, his ability to rhyme words is superior to Tupac's. You can hear it in songs like Notorious Thugs. You can hear it in those freestyles he did on The Wake Up Show and old battles they have recorded of his. Even on stage together Biggie's verse was much better than Tupac's.

When it comes to making deeper songs, with deeper meanings Tupac has him beat. While Biggie was good at making rap songs about hustling crack and making money they are not very deep songs across his catalog minus maybe suicidal thoughts. Even then that was a more personal record. Not more of a broad record that speaks on social issues across the board. They don't compare to 'Dear Mr President' 'Dear Mama' 'Keep Ya Head Up' "Brenda Has A Baby' etc.

I think biggies verse was better when they were on stage and both of them were previously recorded verses. Pac's verses be more connected to his songs more so than biggie so of course it's gonna sound better standing along his verses are damn near interchangeable sometimes.

And can u name a big song more lyrical than blasphemy??

It's no question PAC was more deeper than big u ain't even have 2 post that

 

[Spoonz]

only idiots say biggie was better than Pac

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

I think biggies verse was better when they were on stage and both of them were previously recorded verses. Pac's verses be more connected to his songs more so than biggie so of course it's gonna sound better standing along his verses are damn near interchangeable sometimes.

And can u name a big song more lyrical than blasphemy??

It's no question PAC was more deeper than big u ain't even have 2 post that

You asked me to explain why I said Biggie was the better rapper but Tupac made better songs

 

[kingofnyc]

why tupac should never be considered the GOAT


http://www.nappyafro.com/2011/08/22/tupac-should-never-be-considered-the-g-o-a-t/

 

[King Biko]

You asked me to explain why I said Biggie was the better rapper but Tupac made better songs

Nothing wrong with that. I was just giving u my opinion on your explanation.

 

[Shogun]

phe·nom
/ˈfēˌnäm/Noun / A person who is outstandingly talented or admired; a star.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

shyt aint even close.

 

[Still Benefited]

Pac's music was structured more like a song. If he wasn't rapping his voice could almost be like that of a singer with his emotion. That's not to say Pac couldn't spit or that he was some emo rapper like Drake. that's just saying his emotions were expressed in his songs way more than Biggie's. I also feel like when it came to straight wit, spitting and cleverness BIG wins hands down. He was just wittier, even funnier at how he got his point across.

if Big and Pac were your family members Pac would be that militant brother pseudo revolutionary type that sat down and gave you a lecture about the problems. he's great at giving you speeches and making you see the bigger picture....IN THE MOMENT.

Big is like that fun first cousin that you love when he comes to town. he's funny, has a good time, always has a great story to tell (ha) and also helps you understand what life can be about in action.

To me BIG just had better lines that were more exciting with better imagery. he may not have had the skill or desire to express himself or bare himself like Pac did but he always gave BIG in every lyrical performance. whether he was suicidal, warning some nikkas not to fukk with him, or fukking a bytch. it was always BIG. Pac was just here and there and everywhere with his shyt. one minute he's down for his nikkas, then he can't trust his nikkas, then it's peace to the babies, then it's fukk bytches. i'm not knocking Pac, but lyrically BIG was just more consistent with what he spit as well as what he personified. they both were great, but like another poster said anyway, they've been dead well over 10 years. it's not even a real debate anymore.

Biggie had a lot of songs about absolutley nuthing and random shyt,its a lot easier to be lyrical when u have a blank canvas and can rap about ANYTHING and not have a actual theme....as confused as she can say pac wuz,how come biggie can get a pass for rappin about a bunch of different random shyt in one song from line to line...one minute u fukin bytches,next line u in jail,next line u in a car?...not sayin he couldn't stay on topic but he didn't show it enuff?alotta nikkas can do that shyt biggie do and make a cool little song out of it,Mase,Fab,Jada,camron,Jeezy,...not sayin those dudes are wack...I'm just sayin its easier than to make songs with themes constantly like Pac even if the themes are contradictory

 

[King Biko]

Biggie had a lot of songs about absolutley nuthing and random shyt,its a lot easier to be lyrical when u have a blank canvas and can rap about ANYTHING and not have a actual theme....as confused as she can say pac wuz,how come biggie can get a pass for rappin about a bunch of different random shyt in one song from line to line...one minute u fukin bytches,next line u in jail,next line u in a car?...not sayin he couldn't stay on topic but he didn't show it enuff?alotta nikkas can do that shyt biggie do and make a cool little song out of it,Mase,Fab,Jada,camron,Jeezy,...not sayin those dudes are wack...I'm just sayin its easier than to make songs with themes constantly like Pac even if the themes are contradictory

Life is contradictory tho. nikkas thoughts and opinions change daily, any other way of making music is kinda unrealistic if u this about it

 

[Nomad1]

why tupac should never be considered the GOAT


http://www.nappyafro.com/2011/08/22/tupac-should-never-be-considered-the-g-o-a-t/

Horribly written article. Points can be easily debunked.

 

[kingofnyc]

shyt aint even close.

started with
i got seven mack 11's, about eight 38's
nine 9's, ten mack 10's, the shyts never end

ended with
oh my god, im droppin shyt like a pigeon
i hope you're listenin / smackin babies at they christening


show was over....

 

[Still Benefited]

Life is contradictory tho. nikkas thoughts and opinions change daily, any other way of making music is kinda unrealistic if u this about it

Yeah it would get boring,that wuz homies complaint I wuz addressing....if u think pacs themes are all over the place and changing from song to song and that bothers...biggies random attention defeceit azz bars oughtta bother u too

 

[WEKetchum]

Prodigy is quoted like CRAZY...Popular movies are quoted like CRAZY...Being quoted does not mean you changed the trajectory of the game in very significant way...Let me give you an example, even though "mixtapes" have existed before, when 50 Cent came through, he changed the whole concept of the mixtape and how it should be used to market and promote a bigger agenda...

Now look at hip hop today and the whole mixtape tactic...That's mostly 50 Cent's doing, he created a whole new avenue for rappers to eat...

Now you give me an example of what Biggie did that shifted in whole new direction..?

Rappers been doing that...LL Cool J been doing that...NWA been doing that...KRS One been doing that...2Pac been doing that, have you listened to "Strictly For My N_ggaz"...?

"Holla If You Hear Me" Street Record...

"I get around" Commercial song

"Keep Your Head Up" Commercial Positive song about women

"Papa's song" Insightful song about the lack of positive male leadership in the inner city black communities....

The album was very successful in its time...So, what is this formula that Biggie so pioneered...?

Biggie didn't cause a shift in the game...He was a good player who did good numbers, but none of the significant rappers of that time way riding the Biggie wave...Name albums that where heavily influenced by "Life After Death"...?

Biggie was a great rapper...NO DOUBT...But he didn't impact the game the way Snoop, Pac, Jay Z, Nas, Eminem, 50 Cent, Rakim, KRS One, Kool G Rap and etc did...

Biggie is quoted much more than Prodigy, for one.

Maybe I explained it wrong. Biggie wasn't only dropping poppy records and gritty records, but he was one of the first rappers to mesh mafioso lyrics/ideals with poppy production. Listen to a song like "Hypnotize" - him rapping about selling drugs, getting his phone tapped by the feds, and blasting people over poppy production was literally a Blueprint (pun intended) for rap artists in the years after that. Biggie may not have been the first to take the approach I said, but it doesn't mean that he wasn't the most influential in that area. When Biggie was alive, that wasn't the norm at all. After Biggie, that essentially became an entire era of rap. 50, Fabolous, Jay-Z, just about every East Coast gangsta rapper who surfaced after 1996-1997 was influenced by Life After Death. Biggie literally changed the direction of rap with Life After Death.

 

[Nomad1]

Biggie is quoted much more than Prodigy, for one.

Maybe I explained it wrong. Biggie wasn't only dropping poppy records and gritty records, but he was one of the first rappers to mesh mafioso lyrics/ideals with poppy production. Listen to a song like "Hypnotize" - him rapping about selling drugs, getting his phone tapped by the feds, and blasting people over poppy production was literally a Blueprint (pun intended) for rap artists in the years after that. Biggie may not have been the first to take the approach I said, but it doesn't mean that he wasn't the most influential in that area. When Biggie was alive, that wasn't the norm at all. After Biggie, that essentially became an entire era of rap. 50, Fabolous, Jay-Z, just about every East Coast gangsta rapper who surfaced after 1996-1997 was influenced by Life After Death. Biggie literally changed the direction of rap with Life After Death.

Exactly. Puff saw this and pushed it heavy after BIG's death.

 

[WEKetchum]

Exactly. Puff saw this and pushed it heavy after BIG's death.

Yup. Thing is, it didn't work with anyone else who he worked with as well as it did Biggie. Mase was close, but only for one album. Otherwise, Bad Boy artists just weren't able to pull it off. Black Rob and Shyne weren't versatile enough, Loon was so smooth-looking/sounding that he wasn't able to have the grimy side convincingly, and Yung Joc wasn't able to sustain it for very long. Everyone else he's been able to execute it with, he doesn't sign them to Bad Boy - he only worked with them in limited capacity.

Honestly, the most convincing person he's done it with has been Rick Ross. Makes me realize why he's taken such a liking to him. I'd love if he had Diddy executive produce Mastermind - Diddy was involved with Teflon Don, and that ended up being Ross' most potent album from top to bottom.