Let’s have a convo about these cats that passionately whine about feminism

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

I understand where you're coming from but generally women ARE inferior to men. It's better just to accept the truth instead of becoming upset/angry about it when you find out.
As for feminism I'm actually not against all forms of feminism. Women wanting to become the masters of their own destiny and earn the same as a man for the exact same work is actually something I advocate. What I don't advocate is this new form is feminism where women want to work less then men and get equal pay. When I see women working on train lines on skyscrapers, cleaning out sewer systems, doing pest control and building bridges i'll be the first nikka dressed in pink holding up a sign for women and not a second sooner....

We will agree to disagree. Women aren't inferior. In fact in many ways they can be better or more balanced but that's a lesson many don't learn in this lifetime that colors the nature of conversations unfortunately. At least you admitted to ur bias which makes the discussion easier instead of trying to hide disdain and dismissiveness for 1/2 of the world behind the logic traps.

Also, can you give some examples of where women want to work less than men and get equal pay? It's hard to take anyone seriously if they scoff at women not doing more blue collar jobs when traditionally men are some of the biggest blockers to women in these fields in a lot of cases. LMAO! There are tons of women who wouldn't mind doing construction work. Who are good at laying sheet rock, painting, all those things. But a woman trying to get a foot in those industries faces CRAZY and dangerous obstacles such as discrimination and unwarranted male attention. Oftentimes opportunities are limited to women not because of their unwillingness but b/c of male lack of self-control. Only to have the same dudes turn around and go "See! They don't wanna do the hard work?!" Well I'm pretty sure if it was safe to work around large groups of men without sexual harrassment or if girls weren't socialized against certain fields beyond their natural proclivities, more would participate.
This discussion right here is why feminism is necessary as an avenues for women to relay these issues. We as a species have to evolve beyond a lack of understanding about 1/2 of the world. Feminism is a natural stage in that progression in many ways.

There are other factors that come into play as well. I personally can't call myself a staunch feminist or a staunch ANYTHING b/c I'm not a fan of labels. People tend to weaponize them and hide behind them like they talking about something. I deal in ideas. Some stuff I agree with, some stuff I don't agree with.

 

[Neuromancer]

We will agree to disagree. Women aren't inferior. In fact in many ways they can be better or more balanced but that's a lesson many don't learn in this lifetime that colors the nature of conversations unfortunately. At least you admitted to ur bias which makes the discussion easier instead of trying to hide disdain and dismissiveness for 1/2 of the world behind the logic traps.

Also, can you give some examples of where women want to work less than men and get equal pay? It's hard to take anyone seriously if they scoff at women not doing more blue collar jobs when traditionally men are some of the biggest blockers to women in these fields in a lot of cases. LMAO! There are tons of women who wouldn't mind doing construction work. Who are good at laying sheet rock, painting, all those things. But a woman trying to get a foot in those industries faces CRAZY and dangerous obstacles such as discrimination and unwarranted male attention. Oftentimes opportunities are limited to women not because of their unwillingness but b/c of male lack of self-control. Only to have the same dudes turn around and go "See! They don't wanna do the hard work?!" Well I'm pretty sure if it was safe to work around large groups of men without sexual harrassment or if girls weren't socialized against certain fields beyond their natural proclivities, more would participate.

How much of this do you think is based on biology. They have done studies on female bats squeaking being translated into complaints about unwanted advances from male bats. This behavior doesn't seem exsclusive to the human animal (our ability to actively evolve not with standing.)

 

[LoStranger]

We will agree to disagree. Women aren't inferior. In fact in many ways they can be better or more balanced but that's a lesson many don't learn in this lifetime that colors the nature of conversations unfortunately. At least you admitted to ur bias which makes the discussion easier instead of trying to hide disdain and dismissiveness for 1/2 of the world behind the logic traps.

It's not disdain my dear it's reality. Admitting someone is weaker and/or less intelligent isn't conceding disdain it's simply conceding they're weaker/less intelligent. If I show that blacks of West African descent tent to dominate 100m sprint does that mean I'm showing disdain towards East Africans and other peoples?

There's a reason why practically all empires were built by men, most intuitions of learning were created by men and most important inventions both mechanical and social were created by men. Now are there exceptions to the rule of course....but generally the world is dominated by men and has been since the maturation of homo-sapiens. Why else do you think women are naturally attracted to powerful men with resources?

Also, can you give some examples of where women want to work less than men and get equal pay? It's hard to take anyone seriously if they scoff at women not doing more blue collar jobs when traditionally men are some of the biggest blockers to women in these fields in a lot of cases. LMAO! There are tons of women who wouldn't mind doing construction work. Who are good at laying sheet rock, painting, all those things. But a woman trying to get a foot in those industries faces CRAZY and dangerous obstacles such as discrimination and unwarranted male attention. Oftentimes opportunities are limited to women not because of their unwillingness but b/c of male lack of self-control. Only to have the same dudes turn around and go "See! They don't wanna do the hard work?

Parental leave - Wikipedia (There's your example)

This is false most women DO NOT want to work these jobs because they're dangerous. They tend to prefer more cushy safe oriented jobs like social work, teaching and administration. Furthermore women especially within jobs that require physical labour tend to perform less then their male counterparts.

At boot camp, 3 out of 4 women fail to meet combat standards

Yet those women will complain that the marines corps is sexist. It's not sexist it's just that most of the women were to weak to complete the regime....and it's largely due to biology.

Sexual dimorphism - Wikipedia

Well I'm pretty sure if it was safe to work around large groups of men without sexual harassment or if girls weren't socialised against certain fields beyond their natural proclivities, more would participate.
This discussion right here is why feminism is necessary as an avenues for women to relay these issues. We as a species have to evolve beyond a lack of understanding about 1/2 of the world. Feminism is a natural stage in that progression in many ways.

Sexual harassment is an issue i'll concede there, but so are many of the false rape accusations that are done by women which certainly doesn't help there case does it? Anyway as I mentioned previously I have no problem with feminism as far as it giving opportunity and access to women who deserve it.

There are other factors that come into play as well. I personally can't call myself a staunch feminist or a staunch ANYTHING b/c I'm not a fan of labels. People tend to weaponize them and hide behind them like they talking about something. I deal in ideas. Some stuff I agree with, some stuff I don't agree with.

As I do but I cannot become a staunch defender of women not until they've proven themselves

 

[Neuromancer]

I understand where you're coming from but generally women ARE inferior to men. It's better just to accept the truth instead of becoming upset/angry about it when you find out.
As for feminism I'm actually not against all forms of feminism. Women wanting to become the masters of their own destiny and earn the same as a man for the exact same work is actually something I advocate. What I don't advocate is this new form is feminism where women want to work less then men and get equal pay. When I see women working on train lines on skyscrapers, cleaning out sewer systems, doing pest control and building bridges i'll be the first nikka dressed in pink holding up a sign for women and not a second sooner....

I think inferior is relative to the situation. Women are better at somethings than men and vice versa.

 

[Gothboi J]

It's not disdain my dear it's reality. Admitting someone is weaker and/or less intelligent isn't conceding disdain it's simply conceding they're weaker/less intelligent. If I show that blacks of West African descent tent to dominate 100m sprint does that mean I'm showing disdain towards East Africans and other peoples?

There's a reason why practically all empires were built by men, most intuitions of learning were created by men and most important inventions both mechanical and social were created by men. Now are there exceptions to the rule of course....but generally the world is dominated by men and has been since the maturation of homo-sapiens. Why else do you think women are naturally attracted to powerful men with resources?



Parental leave - Wikipedia (There's your example)

This is false most women DO NOT want to work these jobs because they're dangerous. They tend to prefer more cushy safe oriented jobs like social work, teaching and administration. Furthermore women especially within jobs that require physical labour tend to perform less then their male counterparts.

At boot camp, 3 out of 4 women fail to meet combat standards

Yet those women will complain that the marines corps is sexist. It's not sexist it's just that most of the women were to weak to complete the regime....and it's largely due to biology.

Sexual dimorphism - Wikipedia



Sexual harassment is an issue i'll concede there, but so are many of the false rape accusations that are done by women which certainly doesn't help there case does it? Anyway as I mentioned previously I have no problem with feminism as far as it giving opportunity and access to women who deserve it.



As I do but I cannot become a staunch defender of women not until they've proven themselves

Not practically but every single empire was and will be built by men.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

It's not disdain my dear it's reality. Admitting someone is weaker and/or less intelligent isn't conceding disdain it's simply conceding they're weaker/less intelligent. If I show that blacks of West African descent tent to dominate 100m sprint does that mean I'm showing disdain towards East Africans and other peoples?

Lol. Men and women have different strengths and weaknesses. Trying to emphasize one group's weaknesses to build the ego of another is why we are in the situation we are in now in terms of gender relations. Cognitive scientists now concede that socialization has more to do with success than biological destiny, and male and female brains have been determined to be equal in terms of intelligence but different in how they process information which IMO is a beautiful thing. This reality that there is more than one path up the same mountain that can get you there in the same amount of time. Would you sit there and argue that a pineapple is better than orange? It's an absurdity.

There's a reason why practically all empires were built by men, most intuitions of learning were created by men and most important inventions both mechanical and social were created by men. Now are there exceptions to the rule of course....but generally the world is dominated by men and has been since the maturation of homo-sapiens. Why else do you think women are naturally attracted to powerful men with resources?

This is really no argument at all but merely a variation of the right of might that is also used by white racists to justify lies of white superiority. By similar logic, b/c whites have the most power, they must be superior as well? Nonsense. Life isn't cut and dry. Oftentimes those who win at life aren't the best, but the most desperate. Sometimes it is about strength and sometimes it's not. But given the fact that female ingenuity has been suppressed for the better half of the history of the world and is STILL being done in many parts of the world, it's senseless for men to have literally oppressed women and then turn around and say "SEE the bytch I dismissed, abused, disregarded, held back and relegated to one place under the threat of physical danger or death---geez she hasn't accomplished everything I did..."
Lmao! We gotta try harder to think critically.

Parental leave - Wikipedia (There's your example)

This is false most women DO NOT want to work these jobs because they're dangerous. They tend to prefer more cushy safe oriented jobs like social work, teaching and administration. Furthermore women especially within jobs that require physical labour tend to perform less then their male counterparts.

At boot camp, 3 out of 4 women fail to meet combat standards

Yet those women will complain that the marines corps is sexist. It's not sexist it's just that most of the women were to weak to complete the regime....and it's largely due to biology.

Sexual dimorphism - Wikipedia

Lol! There are feminists who lobby for men to get parental leave as well. The idea behind parental leave is actually more a dig at our overly capitalist society that doesn't afford parents an opportunity to invest time in their children at critical developmental years. That's not an example of chicks trying to avoid working. That an example of a very pragmatic concern about kids.

As for the rest, many women do and have participated in harder labor jobs and do so around the world but that is unacknowledged. A lot of what feminism should be focused on instead of silly shyt is combating lies a lot of people don't know about women. Traditionally, a lot of backbreaking farm labor has been done by women even as they see about children and the house. I don't even know where men get the idea that women for most of the history of the world have just sat around and done nothing but domestic work. Did you know that African female land ownership was so prevalent in many West African countries that it was a threat to European colonizers. They were trying to take the land and couldnt fathom why the shyt was owned by so many women. Women farmed their own land to provide for their children.
Sometime ago WHO estimated that women made up the majority of low paid laborers in hard work areas like farming around the world with the kids on their backs. Lol! The West gives men a skewed view of women ironically b/c of the privileges feminism has afforded us, while forgetting about women in the rest of the world.

This is less an issue of whether women deserve it and more an issue of acknowledgement of what many do deserve and never get credit for.

To me that's what feminism should and probably at one time was concern with. The other goofy shyt came from God knows where.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

It's not disdain my dear it's reality. Admitting someone is weaker and/or less intelligent isn't conceding disdain it's simply conceding they're weaker/less intelligent. If I show that blacks of West African descent tent to dominate 100m sprint does that mean I'm showing disdain towards East Africans and other peoples?

Lol. Men and women have different strengths and weaknesses. Trying to emphasize one group's weaknesses to build the ego of another is why we are in the situation we are in now in terms of gender relations. Cognitive scientists now concede that socialization has more to do with success than biological destiny, and male and female brains have been determined to be equal in terms of intelligence but different in how they process information which IMO is a beautiful thing. This reality that there is more than one path up the same mountain that can get you there in the same amount of time. Would you sit there and argue that a pineapple is better than orange? It's an absurdity.

There's a reason why practically all empires were built by men, most intuitions of learning were created by men and most important inventions both mechanical and social were created by men. Now are there exceptions to the rule of course....but generally the world is dominated by men and has been since the maturation of homo-sapiens. Why else do you think women are naturally attracted to powerful men with resources?

This is really no argument at all but merely a variation of the right of might that is also used by white racists to justify lies of white superiority. By similar logic, b/c whites have the most power, they must be superior as well? Nonsense. Life isn't cut and dry. Oftentimes those who win at life aren't the best, but the most desperate. Sometimes it is about strength and sometimes it's not. But given the fact that female ingenuity has been suppressed for the better half of the history of the world and is STILL being done in many parts of the world, it's senseless for men to have literally oppressed women and then turn around and say "SEE the bytch I dismissed, abused, disregarded, held back and relegated to one place under the threat of physical danger or death---geez she hasn't accomplished everything I did..."
Lmao! We gotta try harder to think critically.

Parental leave - Wikipedia (There's your example)

This is false most women DO NOT want to work these jobs because they're dangerous. They tend to prefer more cushy safe oriented jobs like social work, teaching and administration. Furthermore women especially within jobs that require physical labour tend to perform less then their male counterparts.

At boot camp, 3 out of 4 women fail to meet combat standards

Yet those women will complain that the marines corps is sexist. It's not sexist it's just that most of the women were to weak to complete the regime....and it's largely due to biology.

Sexual dimorphism - Wikipedia

Lol! There are feminists who lobby for men to get parental leave as well. The idea behind parental leave is actually more a dig at our overly capitalist society that doesn't afford parents an opportunity to invest time in their children at critical developmental years. That's not an example of chicks trying to avoid working. That an example of a very pragmatic concern about kids.

As for the rest, many women do and have participated in harder labor jobs and do so around the world but that is unacknowledged. A lot of what feminism should be focused on instead of silly shyt is combating lies a lot of people don't know about women. Traditionally, a lot of backbreaking farm labor has been done by women even as they see about children and the house. I don't even know where men get the idea that women for most of the history of the world have just sat around and done nothing but domestic work. Did you know that African female land ownership was so prevalent in many West African countries that it was a threat to European colonizers. They were trying to take the land and couldnt fathom why the shyt was owned by so many women. Women farmed their own land to provide for their children.
Sometime ago WHO estimated that women made up the majority of low paid laborers in hard work areas like farming around the world with the kids on their backs. Lol! The West gives men a skewed view of women ironically b/c of the privileges feminism has afforded us, while forgetting about women in the rest of the world.

This is less an issue of whether women deserve it and more an issue of acknowledgement of what many do deserve and never get credit for.

To me that's what feminism should and probably at one time was concern with. The other goofy shyt came from God knows where.

 

[Gothboi J]

Lol. Men and women have different strengths and weaknesses. Trying to emphasize one group's weaknesses to build the ego of another is why we are in the situation we are in now in terms of gender relations. Cognitive scientists now concede that socialization has more to do with success than biological destiny, and male and female brains have been determined to be equal in terms of intelligence but different in how they process information which IMO is a beautiful thing. This reality that there is more than one path up the same mountain that can get you there in the same amount of time. Would you sit there and argue that a pineapple is better than orange? It's an absurdity.


This is really no argument at all but merely a variation of the right of might that is also used by white racists to justify lies of white superiority. By similar logic, b/c whites have the most power, they must be superior as well? Nonsense. Life isn't cut and dry. Oftentimes those who win at life aren't the best, but the most desperate. Sometimes it is about strength and sometimes it's not. But given the fact that female ingenuity has been suppressed for the better half of the history of the world and is STILL being done in many parts of the world, it's senseless for men to have literally oppressed women and then turn around and say "SEE the bytch I dismissed, abused, disregarded, held back and relegated to one place under the threat of physical danger or death---geez she hasn't accomplished everything I did..."
Lmao! We gotta try harder to think critically.


Lol! There are feminists who lobby for men to get parental leave as well. The idea behind parental leave is actually more a dig at our overly capitalist society that doesn't afford parents an opportunity to invest time in their children at critical developmental years. That's not an example of chicks trying to avoid working. That an example of a very pragmatic concern about kids.

As for the rest, many women do and have participated in harder labor jobs and do so around the world but that is unacknowledged. A lot of what feminism should be focused on instead of silly shyt is combating lies a lot of people don't know about women. Traditionally, a lot of backbreaking farm labor has been done by women even as they see about children and the house. I don't even know where men get the idea that women for most of the history of the world have just sat around and done nothing but domestic work. Did you know that African female land ownership was so prevalent in many West African countries that it was a threat to European colonizers. They were trying to take the land and couldnt fathom why the shyt was owned by so many women. Women farmed their own land to provide for their children.
Sometime ago WHO estimated that women made up the majority of low paid laborers in hard work areas like farming around the world with the kids on their backs. Lol! The West gives men a skewed view of women ironically b/c of the privileges feminism has afforded us, while forgetting about women in the rest of the world.

This is less an issue of whether women deserve it and more an issue of acknowledgement of what many do deserve and never get credit for.

To me that's what feminism should and probably at one time was concern with. The other goofy shyt came from God knows where.

There was a period in history in which whites had no civilizations while us bleak had some of the most important and successful empires to ever exist. I'm sorry but until women start to lead and build like their male counterparts u guys will always be 2nd class citizens

 

[Maxine Shaw]

Feminists being separated by race contradicts the entire concept of feminism.

That's a shock to me and every black feminist I know.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

How much of this do you think is based on biology. They have done studies on female bats squeaking being translated into complaints about unwanted advances from male bats. This behavior doesn't seem exsclusive to the human animal (our ability to actively evolve not with standing.)

I think it is as biological as pissing and shytting.

But humans evolved to have discretion and practice self-control which is just as natural. That's the reason why we learn to become potty trained. It improves our quality of life.

It's a similar issue with sexual harrassment. Sexual expression is natural and a very strong instinct. But so is self-control and learning it is necessary to evolve beyond a state where we run around pissing and shytting everywhere.

Also and this is where I diverge from a lot of feminists, sexual aggression isn't an inherently male thing. People need to stop labeling natural shyt as bad and then associating it with men. Sexual aggression is a human thing. But men are socialized to be like that or have more opportunities in power dynamics to display that.

Meanwhile, work with children and come back and tell me who were the real sexual aggressors in LOTS of cases...(hint: it wasn't the boys).

But these old and antiquated ideas are also why females are rarely held accountable for shyt like child molestation or sexual abuse or even physical assault. People rarely attribute very real, human traits to them to keep them on an imaginary pedestal.

 

[Maxine Shaw]

Who do you think brought feminism in the black community ?

Black women, that's who. We've been fighting for our rights long before feminism had a name. Not to mention that white feminists ain't been shyt since day one.

What You Need to Know: Black Women Are the Original Feminists | A Practical Wedding
Gloria Steinem's message to women and girls: Act like a cat
When feminism ignored the needs of black women, a mighty force was born

 

[Everythingg]

We will agree to disagree. Women aren't inferior. In fact in many ways they can be better or more balanced but that's a lesson many don't learn in this lifetime that colors the nature of conversations unfortunately. At least you admitted to ur bias which makes the discussion easier instead of trying to hide disdain and dismissiveness for 1/2 of the world behind the logic traps.

I dont think women are inferior but they werent meant to lead or be decision makers for society. For example theres women in the WNBA calling for "equal pay" with NBA stars when their league is actually losing money.. That lack of logic is prevalent in society especially when it comes to feminists

 

[LoStranger]

There was a period in history in which whites had no civilizations while us blaclks had some of the most important and successful empires to ever exist. I'm sorry but until women start to lead and build like their male counterparts u guys will always be 2nd class citizens

Was going to basically say this but you beat me to it....

 

[Cynic]

We blaming feminism for that instead of white supremacy now?

You think without feminism black women would have replaced black men with the state ?



Feminism is necessary in other countries not the first world.

 

[born of fire]

I have no problem with Neo Nazis. It’s the racism I have a problem with.

comparing feminism to nazis, who actually kill people b/c of their hatred and superiority issues... yikes