Let's not pretend that Ras Kass didn't release the best hip-hop album of the 90's.

[the rhyme king]

Yeah, and although Ras can be a little sloppy at times, it doesn't hurt the overall quality of this album imo. But primarily, the emotional effect it had on me when I was younger, its replay value, content, and consistency is what makes it among my top favorite albums. A rapper can be a technical wizard, but if he isn't saying anything I give a damn about, obviously that hurts his appeal in my eyes, which is why guys like KRS-One and 2Pac with their sub-par flows will always be preferable to someone like Eminem in my book, because I can relate to the struggle more than a white guy who got raped by his daddy.

krs-one and pac got sub par flows ?

 

[Invisible Man]

krs-one and pac got sub par flows ?

Well, "sloppy" is a preferable term, but yeah, I don't think their flows are all that good, and many people I've come across seem to agree. Then again, I've been spoiled by the likes of

Pharoahe Monch



Rakim



Chuck D



and

Tonedeff

 

[the rhyme king]

Well, "sloppy" is a preferable term, but yeah, I don't think their flows are all that good, and many people I've come across seem to agree. Then again, I've been spoiled by the likes of

Pharoahe Monch



Rakim



Chuck D



and

Tonedeff

intresting ............... very intresting to say the least

because let me be very clear

when i say or mean flow

i mean how fast u rapping like bpms or if u rhyming on beat in terms of having your rhyming syllables on the kick and snare that is music theory which u can look up online and shyt

krs-one flows varies so does pac they can rap in various speeds and rhyme on beat

but anyways do u know anything about rhyme schemes and multis etc

if so can we talk about ras kass rhymes in this thread.

by the way p monch rakim and tonedeff have great flows.

 

[Czar]

Yeah, and although Ras can be a little sloppy at times, it doesn't hurt the overall quality of this album imo. But primarily, the emotional effect it had on me when I was younger, its replay value, content, and consistency is what makes it among my top favorite albums. A rapper can be a technical wizard, but if he isn't saying anything I give a damn about, obviously that hurts his appeal in my eyes, which is why guys like KRS-One and 2Pac with their sub-par flows will always be preferable to someone like Eminem in my book, because I can relate to the struggle more than a white guy who got raped by his daddy.

Breh, with the exception of a couple songs (chief among them Nature of the Threat) that album had little to no replay value. The whole thing was wild inconsistent, from the production to the content. He even joked about it in a skit on Rasassination. Then again, content and production have always been Ras' achilles heel.

 

[Invisible Man]

intresting ............... very intresting to say the least

because let me be very clear

when i say or mean flow

i mean how fast u rapping like bpms or if u rhyming on beat in terms of having your rhyming syllables on the kick and snare that is music theory which u can look up online and shyt

krs-one flows varies so does pac they can rap in various speeds and rhyme on beat

but anyways do u know anything about rhyme schemes and multis etc

if so can we talk about ras kass rhymes in this thread.

by the way p monch rakim and tonedeff have great flows.

Oh, my bad. I thought you were just questioning why I like Ras Kass so much despite him not having the best flow. Yeah, I know about rhyme schemes, and multis, and all that stuff, so we can talk about it.

 

[Invisible Man]

Breh, with the exception of a couple songs (chef among them Nature of the Threat) that album had little to no replay value. The whole thing was wild inconsistent, from the production to the content. He even joked about it in a skit on Rasassination. Then again, content and production have always been Ras' achilles heel.

I'm biased. I played that album over and over and over, sometimes rarely skipping a track. I can see why it might not have the same appeal to others tho. It was just the type of album I gravitated towards as a young'un, even though I'm still pretty young. I was attached to it, so to speak.

 

[the rhyme king]

Oh, my bad. I thought you were just questioning why I like Ras Kass so much despite him not having the best flow. Yeah, I know about rhyme schemes, and multis, and all that stuff, so we can talk about it.

yeah i never heard ras kass do a double time flow or rap or rap or fast instrumentals maybe i check the speed of his instrumentals.

but yeah what do u think about ras kass rhyme schemes on soul on ice specifically i think it was dope

i mean it is not consective abab rhyming because he is more complex then that.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

He didn't even make a top 5 album from LA.

 

[Czar]

I'm biased. I played that album over and over and over, sometimes rarely skipping a track. I can see why it might not have the same appeal to others tho. It was just the type of album I gravitated towards as a young'un, even though I'm still pretty young. I was attached to it, so to speak.

I here ya breh. I was a huge Ras Kass fan in the 90's, ever since I heard that Soul on Ice demo. Guess that's why the album disappointed me.

I was pulling for my g. Always expected him to eventually get that Dre cosign like Xzibit, especially after the Ghetto Fabulous vid.

Seems like he could never catch a break though. Poor choices and that record label destroyed his career

 

[Invisible Man]

yeah i never heard ras kass do a double time flow or rap or rap or fast instrumentals maybe i check the speed of his instrumentals.

but yeah what do u think about ras kass rhyme schemes on soul on ice specifically i think it was dope

i mean it is not consective abab rhyming because he is more complex then that.

Yeah, I think his rhyme schemes were pretty amazing at times, especially on the opening track On Earth As It Is, where he also rapped the fastest and hardest. Just the way he managed to flip all these religious terms and used them to make a battle track is something else. I'd never seen something like that done with that type of concept before.

 

[AMcV'88]

just been unfortunate enough to hear Tonedef again..jesus, how did i have his corny album wasting space on an ipod years ago.

 

[Invisible Man]

You know, now that I think about it, this thread probably should've been about Ice Cube's Death Certificate instead since that gets more replays out of me these days, and was more varied with its content, humor, and style. That album had everything. If No Vaseline wasn't on it, it'd still be GOAT. That's how good it is.

 

[Rapmastermind]

Can't Lie, album was fire. But the song that sucked me in was "Miami Life" it was on "The Substitute" Soundtrack:

 

[the rhyme king]

I hit the planet like a plague
The Book of Revelations' red dragon with ten horns and seven heads
And seven crowns skills concealed until the Seventh Seal's revealed
To fulfill prophecy
From B.C. to AC/DC radio receivers
The messiah comes back in nineteen nina fever and the rap world ends
The hereafter is after
You hear the HemisFear trinity raps rapture your Babylon vinyl
And thou shalt not worship false idols
Just like David guillotined Philistines, even God is homicidal
fukking these kids like Catholic priests after mass
Pubic hair of lamb's wool, and feet of burned brass
That I can put up in your platinum ass, son
Spit a rhyme before the child, every knee shall bow
When the divine styler is speaking in parables
Like old baptist churches, I'm getting old bytches hysterical
HALLELUJAH! Praise be to my medula oblongota
Not another nikka hotter, believe that Meshach
Your hip-hop martyr who sacrificed and gave my life
But got 4Pac, so I'm livin the Thug Life in the afterlife
Then I be walking through the pearly gates
With an infared scope ten millimeter heater (Why?)
Cuz if my name ain't in the Book of Life I'm snuffing St. Peter (Do it)

more complex rhyming from ras kass

 

[DaddyTime]

Yeah, and although Ras can be a little sloppy at times, it doesn't hurt the overall quality of this album imo. But primarily, the emotional effect it had on me when I was younger, its replay value, content, and consistency is what makes it among my top favorite albums. A rapper can be a technical wizard, but if he isn't saying anything I give a damn about, obviously that hurts his appeal in my eyes, which is why guys like KRS-One and 2Pac with their sub-par flows will always be preferable to someone like Eminem in my book, because I can relate to the struggle more than a white guy who got raped by his daddy.

Ditto

I don't understand all the confusion in this thread


Everyone is like "Album is GREAT, just not Top 10 great or best album great"

Well when something is part of the league of greats, I think it's all matter of opinion who/what is the greatest. Each bringing their own element, we could argue all day!