Let's Strategize: Iran Sanctions Lifted. What Does The USA Do Next?

[Poh SIti Dawn]

So I was reading the New Yorker today and they explained the deal made with Iran. But they also explained the backing of Hamas and others by Iran and the backing that Saudi Arabia does as well.

If the sanctions are removed from Iran will the next step be to unify the Middle East? Or will the United States support Iran over Saudi Arabia and allow Israel to take that ether?

What's the next step?


Also if anyone has a site for PDFs please link me, I'm looking for The Economist PDFs

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You wait.

Basically, the US is waiting for the shift away from KSA because just today the US is pulling back some missiles from Turkey which may be related to Russia's negotiations in the deal with Iran.

I hope the USA has a plan to overthrow Iran once and for all if things go south but the entire world is plotting for the KSA's shake-up. They're in financially new territory and the world is tired of their sunni fukkery...

...BUT...

...KSA has basically said they'll take a serious look into developing nukes if Iran gets one.

And

that

would

be

VERY

bad



That would create a nuclear belt from India, Pakistan, Iran, KSA, Israel

 

[Tate]

Balance of powers between the Turks, Jews, Persians, and Arabs

 

[a man of the people]

The next step should pressuring Israel to grant the Palestinians a state or full and equal rights in Israel. Ending the Israeli Palestinian conflict will do a lot to stabilize the region, it won't solve every problem, but it will make it easy for the US to form useful coalitions that can help advance its interests in the region (Israel does not really help the US interests, quite the opposite actually) and start gaining some of its credibility in that part of the world.
Of course it will never happen, but that's the right move.

I hope the USA has a plan to overthrow Iran once and for all if things go south but the entire world is plotting for the KSA's shake-up. They're in financially new territory and the world is tired of their sunni fukkery...

The US had already overthrew the Iranian government once and it ended up terribly for all sides involved (outside the oil companies, but they always win).
Even if we ignore the moral problems of one country using its superior military force to dictate the government of another country and look at it from a purely practical perspective, the US has a terrible record of regime changes, that shyt always backfire.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The next step should pressuring Israel to grant the Palestinians a state or full and equal rights in Israel. Ending the Israeli Palestinian conflict will do a lot to stabilize the region, it won't solve every problem, but it will make it easy for the US to form useful coalitions that can help advance its interests in the region (Israel does not really help the US interests, quite the opposite actually) and start gaining some of its credibility in that part of the world.
Of course it will never happen, but that's the right move.
The US had already overthrew the Iranian government once and it ended up terribly for all sides involved (outside the oil companies, but they always win).
Even if we ignore the moral problems of one country using its superior military force to dictate the government of another country and look at it from a purely practical perspective, the US has a terrible record of regime changes, that shyt always backfire.

Thing is, on some level Ive just accepted that regime change is probably never supposed to work and that its always meant to cause chaos...not be constructive.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Balance of powers between the Turks, Jews, Persians, and Arabs

L O L

My god you are HILARIOUS

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

You wait.

Basically, the US is waiting for the shift away from KSA because just today the US is pulling back some missiles from Turkey which may be related to Russia's negotiations in the deal with Iran.

I hope the USA has a plan to overthrow Iran once and for all if things go south but the entire world is plotting for the KSA's shake-up. They're in financially new territory and the world is tired of their sunni fukkery...

...BUT...

...KSA has basically said they'll take a serious look into developing nukes if Iran gets one.

And

that

would

be

VERY

bad



That would create a nuclear belt from India, Pakistan, Iran, KSA, Israel

Why does the world want to see Saudi Arabia shaken up though? How would they benefit?

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

Balance of powers between the Turks, Jews, Persians, and Arabs

Turks are giving up on being European?

How will the Arabs unite when the middle east is in turmoil?

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

The next step should pressuring Israel to grant the Palestinians a state or full and equal rights in Israel. Ending the Israeli Palestinian conflict will do a lot to stabilize the region, it won't solve every problem, but it will make it easy for the US to form useful coalitions that can help advance its interests in the region (Israel does not really help the US interests, quite the opposite actually) and start gaining some of its credibility in that part of the world.
Of course it will never happen, but that's the right move.

I like this idea, if the US can force Israel to grant Palestinians their own state and then get a peace treaty () and from there start to build a coalition it would be

 

[Bunchy Carter]

The next step should pressuring Israel to grant the Palestinians a state or full and equal rights in Israel. Ending the Israeli Palestinian conflict will do a lot to stabilize the region, it won't solve every problem, but it will make it easy for the US to form useful coalitions that can help advance its interests in the region (Israel does not really help the US interests, quite the opposite actually) and start gaining some of its credibility in that part of the world.
Of course it will never happen, but that's the right move.

That's the truth. Israel treats others terribly; but they cry and want others to treat them with respect. Also Israel really do cause more problems for the US; than providing help.

 

[Bunchy Carter]

Delete. Double post.

 

[a man of the people]

Thing is, on some level Ive just accepted that regime change is probably never supposed to work and that its always meant to cause chaos...not be constructive.

Even though I generally believe in peaceful coexistence (see Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence) , I'm not a dogmatic person, and if there is a very good reason to get involve and very good plan on how to do it I can be persuaded (and no, oil is not a good enough reason for me).
But the current American doctrine of bombing a country into the stone age, installing a corrupt puppet government that can only survive by the backing of US military and than, ummm... FREEDOM ON THE MARCH!!! does not seem to be working, at all.

And really, look at history, the US has been doing this shyt since the 19th century, when has it ever worked?

That's the truth. Israel treats others terribly; but they cry and want others to treat them with respect. Also Israel really do cause more problems for the US; than providing help.

Yeah, people always talk about Israel being a strategic asset and an unsinkable aircraft carrier, and yet in the last two wars the US had in the region (and the many other minor military operations) not only wasn't Israel an asset, it was a liability.

 

[Tate]

L O L

My god you are HILARIOUS

You can really hop off my dikk anytime now. It's not my fault you don't know basic economic terms.

Turks are giving up on being European?

How will the Arabs unite when the middle east is in turmoil?

Unless they plan on ceding thier Kurds they have a very big interest in stability.

Not the Arabs as an ethnic group, the Arab states under non Extremist control and the nominal lead of the Saudis and Egyptians.

Need to set up basic spheres of influence for each faction.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You can really hop off my dikk anytime now. It's not my fault you don't know basic economic terms.



Unless they plan on ceding thier Kurds they have a very big interest in stability.

Not the Arabs as an ethnic group, the Arab states under non Extremist control and the nominal lead of the Saudis and Egyptians.

Need to set up basic spheres of influence for each faction.

So...basically nothing.

Iran just got lucky rolling the nuclear dice.

This is really the worse case scenario for that region of the world

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Why does the world want to see Saudi Arabia shaken up though? How would they benefit?

9/11? 7/7? And basically every act of sunni inspired terrorism around the world in the last 50 years?

Dont' get it fukked up, cause the KSA has and still has never hidden its desire to create caliphates around the world by hidden funding of Islamist ideologies around the world. I don't know why people are so PC about this. The KSA ain't hiding its hand, so don't pretend to just be all buddy-budy with every mosque in your city. Theres a reason so many people always end up getting associated with extremists and radicalization taking place behind these closed doors.

And not to mention they're just pieces of shyt regardless.