Lets talk about 2pac selling 5 million in 2 months and biggie selling 2 million in 2 years

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Hammer was the 1st rap artist to chart Pop...and WANTED to crossover. :rudy: Back then it was considered selling out :comeon::dwillhuh:

Vanilla Ice as artist was a fabrication, gimmick and actual mockery of hip hop music that was packaged to appeal to the teenie boppers.:dahell:

Explain to me artist who are marketed as pop sales should apply to rap genre..

FloRida anyone? :manny:

need citation
 

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the real question that should be asked here is why are pac stans so defensive over it

Nothing to be mad about.

Its the lames that come with these wack debates...I know people put extra on Pacs legacy..I know he wasn't what people made him out to be..

YET YOU are actually deflecting and STILL havent answered whats the RELEVANCE with the PAC photos of him in the tub as points to debate-WHAT about Pac?

All you doing is going back n forth with me...

Try answering the questions in my posts..THEN worry about me being "upset".

Im waiting..

"nothing to be mad about" this new post would disagree with that. youre now talking in caps and bolded letters, proving your mad and further proving my point over and over again about pac fans being extremely defensive. at this point id just advise that you :camby:



yeah you definitely left 7th day theory out of the equation as if it didn't come out along with R U Still Down before greatest hits
:beli:...And I did mention BOrn Again but are you gon sit here and say Born Again is one of Biggies Main albums like 7th Day Theory is one of Pacs main albums:comeon:....If you are somebody who hears Big is one of the goat rappers back in the day,when you go to find out which album is his best and which one you should buy Born Again will NEEEEEVER come up in the discussion:mjlol:...cant say the same for 7th day theory,as well as I already mentiond Pac had a greatest hits album for the casuals to cop....you don't like to hear it but casuals didn't have to buy AEOM,7th day theory,MATW if they wanted to hear Pac at his best like they HAD to buy RTD or LAD...youll continue to spin around it and neither can prove it had a impact or not but its been interesting speculating,almost was ready to give a salute til you had to reach with the thong pics nikkas usually pull out out of desperation:sas2:

I didn't even mention the unreleased makaveli tapes that's probably quadruple street platinum right about now:banderas:.......Pacs viable options was the fact you had to buy his new shyt if you wanted to hear new clues and figure out if he was really alive or not:ohhh:....but yeah that Greatest Hits is a big deal bruh,u don't like the speculation but its true and makes perfect sense to me....7th day theory being his actual "FINAL" album also takes away from AEOM a little,but mostly greatest hits.

really now? you did mention born again? i cant really recall, you only mentioned it in your post before this but didnt acknowledge that it counted really. and no im not saying born again was one of biggie's "main" albums, its just however you see/perceive it. i see it as being part of his catalogue to consider because its gone multi platinum and did within a short amount of time, numbers dont lie. you acted like born again didnt matter, so then i guess r u still down and half of don killuminatis sales didnt matter then either huh? cause r u still down hasnt received a certifcation above 4x platinum which actually in its case means 2,000,000 copies and don killuminati is at 4x platinum but its single disc so half of those sales would be 2,000,000. it might not be mentioned that often but it still went 2x platinum. so u cant leave it out of the picture and act like theres not another biggie album that could deter his other albums' sales which you clearly did as can be seen in both qoutes here.


.we gon compare the sales of a nikka who got two albums to choose from against a nikka who got 12 viable options to choose from

they have two choices


and casuals didnt have to buy biggies albums either, since the beginning of 2007, ... 7 years ago and therefore still dont have to. and its sold too because its sold over 3 quarters of a million copies (751,000), i know you meant they had to back years ago but i still wanted include this. and btw, you dont like to hear it but like i said releasing more albums most likely gets your name out there and makes u more relevant thus helping sales. lol, you keep trying to get around that but theres no avoiding it. youre just trying to find any way possible to get out of this. i bring up hard facts like "life after death went diamond years before AEOM and pac's greatest hits" and did so even in the midst of having around the same catalogue size (main catalogue) as pac or ready to die sold more than pac's first two albums including thug life combined even when they had generally or around same catalogue size and then you either avoid it, dont even acknowledge it or say something like "it doesnt matter man pac had more albums which means people didnt buy AEOM as much" :mjlol:..or some of his other albums. and you act like people that buy don killuminati and/or r u still down didnt, or werent going to buy all eyez on me or maybe me against the world or other shyt? :mjlol::mjlol: you also seem to be disregarding the fact that ready to die sold more than pacs first two albums combined when they both had around the same catalogue size, and also like i said before between AEOM and greatest hits there was a 2 year and 9 month long span for people to buy AEOM (regardless of r u still down and don killuminati) and it still couldnt reach diamond. and there was a 3 year and 8 month long span for people to buy me against the world, and a 2 year long span for them to buy don killuminati.... ur obviously using greatest hits as ur crutch/support for ur main argument when it didnt even sell all that much lol seeing as how it just reached 5 million copies in 2011.....over a decade later. now are u gonna try and tell me his greatest hits didnt sell because all of his other viable options "prevented" that from happening? :sas2: and if he was that popular, wouldnt there be enough people to still buy AEOM and his other shyt despite all the releases he had? :dahell: and tbh i dont even know why i chose to argue against that theory/idea and even thought about it, i shouldve ignored it or shot it down from the beginning because its stupid. youre giving excuses as to why all eyez on me didnt go diamond and/or why other of his albums didnt sell better.

"i didnt even mention the unreleased makavali tapes thats probably quadruple street platinum right about now" ....lol and ur implying i might be the desperate one here.

"pacs viable options were the fact you had to buy his new shyt if you wanted to hear new clues and figure out if he was really alive or not"

i already discussed the "viable" option shyt but you keep denying it and are trying to get around it and tbh "if you wanted to hear new clues and figure out if he was really alive or not" that proves that pac's sales were helped by his death more than biggie :mjlol: ...thank you for indirectly and accidentally clearing this up for us. :blessed:


"7th day theory being his actual "FINAL" album also takes away from AEOM a little"


dont u think that these so called "new comers" and most people in general would buy probably both AEOM and 7 day theory in conjuction with each other? :mjpls:


You contradicted yourself and you flipped flopped. And Pac's point went over your head. Also, the reason you think you didn't contradict yourself is because you had poorly written sentence structures throughout your responses. But it's no point arguing about that if you admit it's speculation


i just explained to you how and why i never really contradicted myself, i guess your lack of comprehension goes beyond what my "poorly written sentence structures" do huh? and please do clarify what you mean about the "admit its speculation" part, because i think there was a misunderstanding. i didnt mean that all of what i was saying was speculation. please explain further.


And how am I being defensive about Pac's bubbble bath pics/speedo picture? You were the one who brought it up in the first place. Plus Mariah Carey has the bubble bath pic framed in her house, it goes to show the demographic it was intended for; "Carey even has a photo of the rapper taking a bubble bath hanging up in her New York home.". And taking a bubble pics for a magazine is not "selling-out". :mjlol:

point proven again ^

why are pac stans so defensive over it ...if it was "just" for women and doesnt matter?



Plus grown men shouldn't be searching for pics like that unless their homo.

I actually had come across the picture when i was on rapgenius, idk what the point is in saying this though because no one will take it seriously.


And "I'd fukk Ru Paul before those wack Escape bytches", "dress up like ladies and burn em with dirty 380's", "nikkas say i'm p*ssy, I dare you to stick your dikk in this", "nikkas test they luck-n they get a butt fukk-n, straight up the ass raw dog with a rash"......Those are not Pryor lines.

literally no one has ever brought up those lyrics besides you, at least that ive seen. i bet you went searching for that shyt too. still though, nothing is worse than this. try all you want but pac fukked up bad on this one.
http://rap.genius.com/241839/2pac-i...-was-a-pee-wee-down-by-my-knee-with-a-wee-wee :sadcam::sadcam:

Apparently we are "defensive" if we point out that the pictures he brought up are intended for women :heh:



did pac personally tell you that theyre intended for women? intended for women or not, still exposing yourself for money like a whore is nothing to be proud of lol...thats basically what selling out is. letting yourself go to the industry for money......and he was considered a sex symbol by most of the media ....because he sold out

I noticed alot of you didnt even reply to, deny, or acknowledge the bulk of what i had to say throughout my posts, but instead picked out tiny little things you thought you could get over on me with. im havin a field day with you nikkas, keep tryin! holla at me when you can think of a good response but until then just picture me rollin! :bryan:
 
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I think our little debate has run its course (because we are going to recycle the same arguments again and again). The only thing I disagreed with you was your interpretation of the video and the real reason LAD was certified before AEOM (not that it matters anyways cuz LAD legally was still certified before AEOM). But I never disagreed with your whole premise, that being Biggie selling well despite what Pac said.

I have to admit your the first Pac critic on the coli to actually debate well :obama:. Can't say the same to @Big Skilly Films (clown :umad:).
 

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"nothing to be mad about" this new post would disagree with that. youre now talking in caps and bolded letters, proving your mad and further proving my point over and over again about pac fans being extremely defensive. at this point id just advise that you :camby:





really now? you did mention born again? i cant really recall, you only mentioned it in your post before this but didnt acknowledge that it counted really. and no im not saying born again was one of biggie's "main" albums, its just however you see/perceive it. i see it as being part of his catalogue to consider because its gone multi platinum and did within a short amount of time, numbers dont lie. you acted like born again didnt matter, so then i guess r u still down and half of don killuminatis sales didnt matter then either huh? cause r u still down hasnt received a certifcation above 4x platinum which actually in its case means 2,000,000 copies and don killuminati is at 4x platinum but its single disc so half of those sales would be 2,000,000. it might not be mentioned that often but it still went 2x platinum. so u cant leave it out of the picture and act like theres not another biggie album that could deter his other albums' sales which you clearly did as can be seen in both qoutes here.







and casuals didnt have to buy biggies albums either, since the beginning of 2007, ... 7 years ago and therefore still dont have to. and its sold too because its sold over 3 quarters of a million copies (751,000), i know you meant they had to back years ago but i still wanted include this. and btw, you dont like to hear it but like i said releasing more albums most likely gets your name out there and makes u more relevant thus helping sales. lol, you keep trying to get around that but theres no avoiding it. youre just trying to find any way possible to get out of this. i bring up hard facts like "life after death went diamond years before AEOM and pac's greatest hits" and did so even in the midst of having around some catalogue size (main catalogue) as pac or ready to die sold more than pac's first two albums including thug life combined even when they had generally or around same catalogue size and then you either avoid it, dont even acknowledge it or say something like "it doesnt matter man pac had more albums which means people didnt buy AEOM that much" :mjlol:..or some of his other albums. and you act like people that buy don killuminati and/or r u still down didnt, or arent going to buy all eyez on me or maybe me against the world or other shyt? :mjlol::mjlol: you also seem to be disregarding the fact that ready to die sold more than pacs first two albums combined when they both had around the same catalogue size, and also like i said before between AEOM and greatest hits there was a 2 year and 9 month long span for people to buy AEOM (regardless of r u still down and don killuminati) and it still couldnt reach diamond. and there was a 3 year and 8 month long span for people to buy me against the world, and a 2 year long span for them to buy don killuminati.... ur obviously using greatest hits as ur crutch/support for ur main argument when it didnt even sell all that much lol seeing as how it just reached 5 million copies in 2011.....over a decade later. now are u gonna try and tell me his greatest hits didnt sell because all of his other viable options "prevented" that from happening? :sas2: and if he was that popular, wouldnt there be enough people to still buy AEOM and his other shyt despite all the releases he had? :dahell: and tbh i dont even know why i chose to argue against that theory/idea and even thought about it, i shouldve ignored it or shot it down from the beginning because its stupid. youre giving excuses as to why all eyez on me didnt go diamond and/or why other of his albums didnt sell better.

"i didnt even mention the unreleased makavali tapes thats probably quadruple street platinum right about now" ....lol and ur implying i might be the desperate one here.

"pacs viable options were the fact you had to buy his new shyt if you wanted to hear new clues and figure out if he was really alive or not"

i already discussed the "viable" option shyt but you keep denying it and are trying to get around it and tbh "if you wanted to hear new clues and figure out if he was really alive or not" that proves that pac's sales were helped by his death more than biggie :mjlol: ...thank you for indirectly and accidentally clearing this up for us. :blessed:


"7th day theory being his actual "FINAL" album also takes away from AEOM a little"


dont u think that these so called "new comers" and most people in general would buy probably both AEOM and 7 day theory in conjuction with each other? :mjpls:





i just explained to you how and why i never really contradicted myself, i guess your lack of comprehension goes beyond what my "poorly written sentence structures" do huh? and please do clarify what you mean about the "admit its speculation" part, because i think there was a misunderstanding. i didnt mean that all of what i was saying was speculation. please explain further.




point proven again ^







I actually had come across the picture when i was on rapgenius, idk what the point is in saying this though because no one will take it seriously.




literally no one has ever brought up those lyrics besides you, at least that ive seen. i bet you went searching for that shyt too. still though, nothing is worse than this. try all you want but pac fukked up bad on this one.
http://rap.genius.com/241839/2pac-i...-was-a-pee-wee-down-by-my-knee-with-a-wee-wee :sadcam::sadcam:





did pac personally tell you that theyre intended for women? intended for women or not, still exposing yourself for money like a whore is nothing to be proud of lol...thats basically what selling out is. letting yourself go to the industry for money......and he was considered a sex symbol by most of the media ....because he sold out

I noticed alot of you didnt even reply to, deny, or acknowledge the bulk of what i had to say throughout my posts, but instead picked out tiny little things you thought you could get over on me with. im havin a field day with you nikkas, keep tryin! holla at me when you can think of a good response but until then just picture me rollin! :bryan:

Court documents had international sales of The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory at over 28 million by 1998 - http://www.leagle.com/decision/199845030FSupp2d420_1405.xml/AGNANT v. SHAKUR

"To date, the album has sold approximately 7 million copies in the United States and 28 million copies worldwide"

We're talking about sales where Tupac is the runaway leader, as he is in depth and consistency
 

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"nothing to be mad about" this new post would disagree with that. youre now talking in caps and bolded letters, proving your mad and further proving my point over and over again about pac fans being extremely defensive. at this point id just advise that you:camby:
:umad:

Are you a Cac? :krs:

MY argument is with YOUR statement You still havent answered the question how Pac is a sellout for taking pics in the tub...Your retort was why are Pac fans defensive about it..which was a obvious bait and switch....and wasnt MY argument..it was yours..all I asked was you to explain how Pac was a sellout, in YOUR opinion based on YOUR statement.

I ALSO said it makes people look SUSPECT trying to defame Pac with THAT particular pic AND argument which has been hashed and rehashed since :hamster:

After that statement YOU tried to declare your point proven..which of course..it wasnt..

And YET to STILL answer mine...but I think I got it already

"He's in a bubble bath"

"He's in speedo's on stage"

Nicca Stfu...its for the bytches...Digital Underground was a bout getting puzzy...ole square ass:ufdup:
 

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Are you a Cac? :krs:

MY argument is with YOUR statement You still havent answered the question how Pac is a sellout for taking pics in the tub...Your retort was why are Pac fans defensive about it..which was a obvious bait and switch....and wasnt MY argument..it was yours..all I asked was you to explain how Pac was a sellout, in YOUR opinion based on YOUR statement.

I ALSO said it makes people look SUSPECT trying to defame Pac with THAT particular pic AND argument which has been hashed and rehashed since :hamster:

After that statement YOU tried to declare your point proven..which of course..it wasnt..

And YET to STILL answer mine...but I think I got it already

"He's in a bubble bath"

"He's in speedo's on stage"

Nicca Stfu...its for the bytches...Digital Underground was a bout getting puzzy...ole square ass:ufdup:

Digital Underground was derivative of Parliament-Funkadelic influence. Especially when it came to the shows
 

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Digital Underground was derivative of Parliament-Funkadelic influence. Especially when it came to the shows
Very Funk heavy...

Shock wanted to be the funk version of P.E.

Tommy Boy was like..naaaaaaaaaaaaah

Imagine that-

Most of them cats lived relatively close to me Mon, Jimmy, Dj Fuze...Only person I really didnt know was Shock..

Man..they had the livest shows..:lawd:
 
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