Let's Talk About Gun Control

[newworldafro]

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[Shogun]

interesting read......

Adds this to the thread ..... check the videos ......................................... how does this figure into the (inter)national discussion ???...

jesus christ

Honestly though, if you can print an assault weapon and high capacity mag pre-ban, you can also print 2 glocks and 2 sixteen round mags post-ban.

 

[Gallo]

All I know is that lead times for the upper half i want to buy for my AR-15 is 1 year plus and they're not even taking orders stag arms must be banking right now.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Enjoy OP.......

Disgusting



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[daze23]

like i said...they are more accurate at longer distances. This feature is irrelevant to the mass-shooting debate though. They are all done in-doors, at close-range.

Someone who likes marksmanship, and engaging targets at 300 meters + needs to use one of "these things". So far, mass shooters don't so this.

And, very true to your second point, but not nearly as concealable as a pistol. Which, again, speaks to me point.

here were the criteria for the 1994 ban:

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

-Folding or telescoping stock
-Pistol grip
-Bayonet mount
-Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
-Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).

I think it's clear that things like a pistol grip and extended magazine do make the gun a more efficient close-quarters weapon (with a much higher caliber than most pistols)

I'm pretty sure you know someone trying to 'dual-wield' pistols is just silly. you need 2 hands to accurately fire a pistol or rifle. if your argument comes from John Woo movies... yeah...

 

[Shogun]

here were the criteria for the 1994 ban:



I think it's clear that things like a pistol grip and extended magazine do make the gun a more efficient close-quarters weapon (with a much higher caliber than most pistols)

I'm pretty sure you know someone trying to 'dual-wield' pistols is just silly. you need 2 hands to accurately fire a pistol or rifle. if your argument comes from John Woo movies... yeah...

Not sure if you just trolling or being argumentative, but ill play along...

as you said, the 1994 ban legislated that:

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

-Folding or telescoping stock
-Pistol grip
-Bayonet mount
-Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
-Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).

rifles in CT were banned if they are able to accept detachable magazines and have 2 or more (so basically 2) of the following...
all semi-automatic weapons have detachable magazines, including pistols. This just means the magazine comes out and you can put a new one. Its not unique to assault rifles in any way.

Ok, so now we can only legally have 1 of the quoted list on our rifle. If you consider the list, an AR-15 like weapon can not function without a pistol-grip. Its a part of the weapon. It doesn't make the the weapon any more dangerous. this is a pistol grip:

Its a piece of rubber.

So with the addition of this harmless, but necessary piece of rubber we cannot legally have any other piece of that list. Lets consider them one by one:

1. Folding/telescopic butt stock: as i mentioned in my OP, this does nothing to make the weapon more or less dangerous. It does make an AR-15 style weapon a little more concealable and a little more maneuverable, but not nearly as concealable or maneuverable as a pistol...which speaks to my original point

2. Bayonet Mount: ok....

3. Flash Suppressor: Also irrelevant to the mass shooter problem. A flash suppressor does exactly that, suppresses the flash so the enemy cant see you shooting at night. It's not a silencer.

4. Grenade Launcher: Actual grenades are illegal anyway so who gives a fukk.

Why include all this verbiage to legislation that basically just says collapsible or telescopic butt-stocks make the weapon illegal?

for the exact reason I explained in the OP. It looks impressive, and serves as a political notch in said politician's belt in the eyes of people who dont know what the fukk they're talking about.

You fell for it


And in response to you caliber comment: I'd much rather get shot with a .223 out of an AR-15 than a 50 caliber round out of a Desert Eagle

and in response to you're smart ass John Woo comment: We're talking about mass shootings here. Even an untrained retard could point two pistols into a packed movie theater, or an elementary school classroom, and hit targets. As I said in the OP, which mass shooter racked up the most kills?

Va Tech Dude with...you guessed it....two pistols

so no, my argument doesnt come from an action movie. Its comes from real fukking life

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[daze23]

rifles in CT...

I don't know about CT. those were the criteria for the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban

all semi-automatic weapons have detachable magazines, including pistols. This just means the magazine comes out and you can put a new one. Its not unique to assault rifles in any way.

Ok, so now we can only legally have 1 of the quoted list on our rifle.

huh? it said the semi-auto rifle must have a detachable magazine and 2 of those items to be considered an "assault weapon"

If you consider the list, an AR-15 like weapon can not function without a pistol-grip. Its a part of the weapon. It doesn't make the the weapon any more dangerous. this is a pistol grip:

Its a piece of rubber.

I'm not sure if you're just being obtuse here, but I thought it was clear that the "pistol grip" they refer to is a secondary 'forward' pistol grip. like this:

it's not just a "piece of rubber". that's like saying the gun is just a "piece of metal"

1. Folding/telescopic butt stock: as i mentioned in my OP, this does nothing to make the weapon more or less dangerous. It does make an AR-15 style weapon a little more concealable and a little more maneuverable, but nearly as concealable or maneuverable as a pistol...which speaks to my original point

but it's not a pistol

And in response to you caliber comment: I'd much rather get show with a .223 out of an AR-15 than a 50 caliber round out of Desert Eagle

I said "most" pistols to avoid this comment

Va Tech Dude with...you guessed it....two pistols

that's just the picture he sent in showing off his guns. he had 2 pistols. that doesn't mean he walked around shooting like that. dude was pretty efficient, so I'm gonna assume he took the time to aim (28 of 30 killed were shot in the head)

 

[Shogun]

I don't know about CT. those were the criteria for the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban



huh? it said the semi-auto rifle must have a detachable magazine and 2 of those items to be considered an "assault weapon"



I'm not sure if you're just being obtuse here, but I thought it was clear that the "pistol grip" they refer to is a secondary 'forward' pistol grip. like this:

it's not just a "piece of rubber". that's like saying the gun is just a "piece of metal"



but it's not a pistol



I said "most" pistols to avoid this comment



that's just the picture he sent in showing off his guns. he had 2 pistols. that doesn't mean he walked around shooting like that. dude was pretty efficient, so I'm gonna assume he took the time to aim (28 of 30 killed were shot in the head)

do you agree or disagree with my point that 2 pistols is just as dangerous as an assault rifle?

 

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@daze23

his point is that at the ranges in which these mass shootings occur, the difference between a handgun and "assault weapon" is essentially the same, especially considering that aiming during these events seem to be voluntary due to the nature of the victims. This is especially true in the Sandy Hook case, where the shooter shot young children at close range.

 

[daze23]

do you agree or disagree with my point that 2 pistols is just as dangerous as an assault rifle?

if all thing are equal (meaning I don't want you bringing up some scenario of a trained person with 2 pistols vs an untrained person with an 'assault rifle' [not good choice of words btw, since that could mean a fully auto weapon]), I disagree

 

[Shogun]

if all thing are equal (meaning I don't want you bringing up some scenario of a trained person with 2 pistols vs an untrained person with an 'assault rifle' [not good choice of words btw, since that could mean a fully auto weapon]), I disagree

but you recognize that the worst mass shooting in modern times was done with 2 pistols?

 

[Magnus Warhol]

I hate guns. I'm probably in the minority. I better get the hell out of this thread....

:fight:

 

[newarkhiphop]

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Prison Planet.com » Breaking: Printable 30-Round AR Magazines Now Available for Download, Seriously

Breaking: Printable 30-Round AR Magazines Now Available for Download, Seriously

Adan Salazar
Prison Planet.com
January 14, 2013


What just a few months ago was dismissed as a pipe dream or wishful thinking has today become a reality that will no doubt take the gun control debate, not just nationally but worldwide, to a whole new level.

Infowars.com has been reporting on this 3D printing innovator’s amazing work over the last few months. As Infowars breaks this story online, we wonder if the dinosaur press will realize the incredible significance of this – this technological development will circumvent unconstitutional magazine bans and could end the huge shortages we’re seeing. The future is now.

In November’s issue of Infowars Magazine, we wrote about Defense Distributed, a non-profit thinktank experimenting with the revolutionary technology of desktop 3D printing.

Defense Distributed’s goal is to provide a website that anyone in the world could visit to download the files needed to literally print out a working firearm, aptly dubbed a “wiki weapon,” using a 3D printer, a technology that’s already available to the average citizen and is also becoming increasingly affordable.

We are pleased to announce that a huge leap has been made in bringing that concept to fruition.

DefDist Printed AR Mag - Part II - YouTube

Yesterday, we received word from the group that they had produced a working 30-round AR magazine, demonstrably very capable as exemplified in a video of Defense Distributed’s un-official frontman Cody Wilson going to town using a fully-automatic rifle.

In the video, Wilson sarcastically asks, “How’s that national conversation going?” as he proceeds to fire a barrage of bullets from a gun notably outfitted with a 30-round 3D printed magazine.

AR Magazine’s Demonization and Scarcity

In the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting, the AR 30-round magazine has become highly sought-after, despite the fact that a report by NBC concluded that suspected gunman Adam Lanza did not use a semi-automatic rifle during the shooting and instead left the weapon in his car during the assault.

The popular AR magazine is one of the items at the center of the heated gun control debate and is set to be banned if Cali. Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s anti-assault weapons bill passes, which “Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.”

Top gun parts manufacturers have reported that they are having a hard time keeping this particular magazine in stock, with at least one manufacturer, Haus of Guns, reporting a backorder of one million magazines.

With people now able to print their own AR magazines, the burden on gun parts manufacturers should definitely be lightened.

David Gregory Got Away with Having an AR Magazine on NBC

NBC’s David Gregory also recently received backlash for flashing an AR high-capacity magazine on national television during an interview.

A few weeks ago, during a segment on “Meet the Press,” Gregory decided it would bolster his anti-gun argument to flash a magazine at NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre, while asking, “Isn’t it possible that if we got rid of these…we could reduce the carnage in a situation like Newtown?”

It was recently announced that, although many were outraged by Gregory’s audacity in breaking DC’s restrictive firearm laws, which prohibit magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition, no charges would be brought up against him or NBC (surprise, surprise…).

The Atlantic Wire reported that Washington DC Attorney General Irvin B. Nathan decided against pressing charges on Gregory, saying that “the temporary possession and short display of the magazine was to promote the First Amendment purpose of informing an ongoing public debate about firearms policy in the United States.”

Rep Steve Israel Sees Potential for 3D Printed Weapons

While Defense Distributed’s ultimate goal of arming the world with 3D printed weapons is still quite a ways down the road, one Congressman fears the technology’s potential.

In December, Rep. Steve Israel (D-NY) announced that he would seek legislation renewing the federal ban on undetectable firearms set to expire at the end of this year.

According to his House site, Israel told lawmakers, “Congress passed a law banning plastic guns for two decades, when they were just a movie fantasy. With the advent of 3-D printers these guns are suddenly a real possibility, but the law Congress passed is set to expire next year. We should act now to give law enforcement authorities the power to stop the development of these weapons before they are as easy to come by as a Google search. ”

The piece of legislation Israel is referring to is the Undetectable Firearms Act which makes it unlawful to produce a firearm that is not detectable by a walk-through metal detector or X-ray machine.

As we noted in the November issue of Infowars Magazine, Defense Distributed is well aware of the “undetectable” law, and say their weapons will comply with said measure; however, they are keeping it a secret as to how exactly they plan to bypass this little piece of legislation: “We’ve been pretty public about telling people what we’re doing, but I’m not sure I want to give away the legal strategy here…Bottom line we’re gonna follow the law.”

What’s Next for Defense Distributed?

It remains to be seen where “A little American ingenuity,” as they note in their Youtube video, will take Defense Distributed, whose noble goal it is to provide a firearm portable defense to anyone who so desires it; however, as we stated previously, it should only be a matter of time before all anyone will need is the internet, a 3D printer, and some ammo.

Visit Defense Distributed where you can read reviews on the new mag or click here to download your high-capacity AR magazine now.

Breaking Gamechanger: Printable Gun Clips - HD - YouTube

Printable Gun Revolution Moves Forward - YouTube

this shyt right here

 

[daze23]

@daze23

his point is that at the ranges in which these mass shootings occur, the difference between a handgun and "assault weapon" is essentially the same, especially considering that aiming during these events seem to be voluntary due to the nature of the victims. This is especially true in the Sandy Hook case, where the shooter shot young children at close range.

no matter where you draw the line, it's gonna separate things that are "essentially the same"

 

[daze23]

but you recognize that the worst mass shooting in modern times was done with 2 pistols?

my opinions on gun control aren't only based on 'mass shootings'