Let's Talk About Gun Control

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My question "Do you care" was linked to the fact that you are STILL here discussing all of this like there wasn't another shooting today. Really breh, I see you're trying to seriously discuss this issue, but the more it goes on the more it sounds like you're saying "My right to bear arms is above anything else, if some kids gotta die, so be it".



"My right to bear arms is above anything else, if some kids gotta die, so be it".

Yes. My rights are more important than the collective lives of individuals, no matter how tragic. You think I don't feel sadden for those children or parents? I'm a parent. My child is about to be the same age as some of those kids. I feel for them.

But making decisions under emotional duress is NEVER a good thing. Trust me, I made that mistake several times. Most people make that mistake.

The more free and open a society is, the more likely a violent individual has the means to create havoc.
 

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Your argument is centered on your opinion and personal anecdotes. There is not one shroud of data or anything resembling a point based on current law or the legal process.

You're doing the same things I have seen you advocate against in other threads.

see you just should have realized something when you typed this. I don't really have a 'point', but rather I am just trying to push this conversation about gun control. I definitely feel a certain way about the issue, but I also understand that my final solution probably isn't practical for a number of reasons. given that, I'd like to find out where we can reach a compromise between our current situation, and where I want to be (to be able to push my final solution in the long-term :shaq: ). and in the meantime I've also been dealing these slanderous sideways remarks :dry:

everything doesn't have to be a "debate". there's also this thing called a "discussion"
 

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"My right to bear arms is above anything else, if some kids gotta die, so be it".

Yes. My rights are more important than the collective lives of individuals, no matter how tragic. You think I don't feel sadden for those children or parents? I'm a parent. My child is about to be the same age as some of those kids. I feel for them.

But making decisions under emotional duress is NEVER a good thing. Trust me, I made that mistake several times. Most people make that mistake.

The more free and open a society is, the more likely a violent individual has the means to create havoc.

Problem is, you guys will always be under emotional duress because such shootings regularly happen. There's always a good excuse not to act.

Some guy once said something like "My liberty stops where another man's liberty starts". Living in society implies sacrifices, for the well-being of said society. From what I get, others should sacrifice their freedom to walk, eat, live and send their children in a gun-free world for your right to defend whatever it is that is that you want to defend. I will sacrifice my right to carry a gun if that means one less gun that might end up in the wrong hands and kill whoever's unlucky enough to go to school that day.
 

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You fail to take into account the second amendment. Over and Over.

The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to have weapons outside of the control of the United States Government. It's a law LIMITING government powers.

My first post explains the law to you.

You can't just snap your fingers and change Constitutional Law acri.

The 21st amendment appealed the 18th amendment............
 

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americans latch on to alot of bullshyt ideas not based on facts and this whole idea that a modern democracy need an armed populace to remain so is on of them.

The idea that, in the modern world, a country full of people with private handguns, shotguns and AR-15s in their households is more likely to remain a liberal democracy than a country whose citizens lack such weapons is frankly ridiculous. Worldwide, there is no correlation whatsoever at the country level between private handgun ownership and liberal democracy. There are no cases of democratic countries in which nascent authoritarian governments were successfully resisted due to widespread gun ownership. When authoritarian governments come to power in democracies (which is rare), they do so at the ballot box or with heavy popular support; where juntas overthrow democratic governments, as in Greece, Brazil, Chile or Iran, popular gun ownership is irrelevant. Once authoritarian governments take power, if they decide they don't want citizens to own guns, they take them away, easily crushing any isolated attempts at resistance. When, on the other hand, authoritarian governments are overthrown in military uprisings (as opposed to peaceful revolutions, which are more common), the arms that defeat them come from defecting soldiers or outside aid. Widespread gun ownership among the common folk may conceivably have been an important obstacle to centralised government control in 17th-century Britain, just emerging from feudalism; but since the universalisation of the modern nation-state in the 19th century, the degree of force that governments can bring to bear has overwhelmed any conceivable popular defence of localised rights and privileges by companies of yeoman musketeers. To stack up against police, the National Guard or the US Army, private gun enthusiasts would, at a minimum, have to be packing an arsenal that would be illegal in any state in the union, even Arizona.
 

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Those are all hypotheticals

If there aren't guns there are no gun deaths.

You've got guns? I've got them too who the fukk cares

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Hypotheticals or facts? :usure:

And why do you own a gun? You already told me there's no point in owning one for protection. :upsetfavre:
 

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Hypotheticals or facts?

And why do you own a gun? You already told me there's no point in owning one for protection.

Bro you said you could hop in your car and run over a bunch of people tomorrow? What did you do today? fukk outta here bro
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cause I'm about my work and that four fifth hurt I'll introduce you to the earth
 

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Bro you said you could hop in your car and run over a bunch of people tomorrow? What did you do today? fukk outta here bro
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cause I'm about my work and that four fifth hurt I'll introduce you to the earth

You didnt quote my post on the car part. I only respond to what you quoted.

But I very well COULD get in my car and run over people the same as you COULD take ur gun to the mall and start shooting. What's the difference? Both are a choice.
 

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Cosign. I mean, a handgun is good for personal protection and for the home. Shotguns are good for home protection/hunting and rifles for hunting too. But theres really no need for a civilian to have automatic weapons imo
 

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You didnt quote my post on the car part. I only respond to what you quoted.

But I very well COULD get in my car and run over people the same as you COULD take ur gun to the mall and start shooting. What's the difference? Both are a choice.

You're seriously going to just lie to me ?


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The 21st amendment appealed the 18th amendment............

Yup. Can you refresh me on the 18th again?

Was that the one where the government banned something in order to ensure safety and decency of the populace?

How did that work out again?



Like I said earlier, if you can get an amendment to pass to repeal or change the 2nd Amendment, I will support the new law.
 
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