Lets talk about how DMX ran 98 with a ironfist

[Bxblaze]

Stop the apologetics... I dont wanna see that shyt. What I want you dumb ass crack man x stans to do is address the FACT that HKL, in less time, sold more than IDAHIH in 1998.

None of this , "but i remember motorcycles....bu bu bu i remember bandanas... bu bu bu I really liked in when niccaz barked a lot on records because i missed my pet Rover..."

@ Crack Man X bein on Money Cash Hoes helping HKL sell more than IDAHIH... wasnt the barking nicca on ALL OF IDAHIH? Using that bum ass logic IDAHIH shoulda sold more

And if we really wanna be real Crack Man X bein pushed as the next Pac gave him momentum... I remember when my niccaz tried to put me on to CMX talkin that Pac shyt... I was like " the fukc you niccaz talkin bout "

To conclude Jay >>>>> Crack Man X in 98

My man first off I never wrote that dmx featured on hkl helped him sell more .. All I'm tryin to tell u is that dmx the rookie was getting featured more for a reason because : HE WAS THE HOTTEST AT THAT TIME ..I'm not a dmx Stan I like hip hop not no jay z Stan like u been showin on these forums so fall back I'm just makin a point

 

[intilectual recipricol]

My man first off I never wrote that dmx featured on hkl helped him sell more .. All I'm tryin to tell u is that dmx the rookie was getting featured more for a reason because : HE WAS THE HOTTEST AT THAT TIME ..I'm not a dmx Stan I like hip hop not no jay z Stan like u been showin on these forums so fall back I'm just makin a point

So thats the argument you goin with? whoever has the most features is the biggest and hottest? You sure bout that? Final argument, most features means hottest?

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Came an went....u see how theres no 99 was DMX year thread

U lost your mind. It wasnt pushed like that and still sold 3 mil. It was a great move by dmx and defjam. And nikkas was bumpin that shyt heavy

 

[mobbinfms]

if his music was top shelf, it would speak louder than his rap sheet. the funny thing is after all the negative publicity he started getting, his entire image changed to go along with it. let's not act like pac's whole entire career was based off of the thug life shyt he rapped about. dude was talking all this positivity shyt then as soon as he starts getting into serious trouble, gets some movie roles of some billy badasses, he's screaming thug life. he used that shyt to make himself a star and sell records.

dmx on the other hand just made gangster music. he didn't need to go out and get in trouble in order to help feed his music career like pac did.

I see you edited your post after I replied to it.

You are attempting to simplify 2Pac's music and pigeonhole him as being first a positive artist who over time transformed into a negative one. You are also incorrect regarding the timeline of when his music was released, when Juice was released and when he started getting into trouble.

2pac always represented positive and negative themes in his music. He was a complicated individual and artist with a lot to say. Have you ever heard 2Pacalypse Now? It's not all Brenda's got a baby. And Juice came out a fee months after his first album - so the argument that a movie role transformed his image is wrong. The album and movie were recorded and filmed around the same time.

He also started getting into serious trouble around the time of his first album (shooting off duty cops, the kid who shot a cop and claimed the first album made him do it, beating down directors on the scene of Menace, this may have been around the time of the second album).

It's pretty clear that you aren't that familiar with Pac's music and you don't have an accurate memory of when events outside the music unfolded. I would study ip before you comment on Pac again.

 

[Notorioushnic]

I feel you and I'm dapping you cause you made a good point about how "Money ain't a thing" did blow during the summer was featured on JD albums 1st and that album did OK summer of 98. but "It's Alright" also came out summer time not spring. It was officially released in Aug. He did have "Street's is Watching" dropped summer as well as "Money ain't a thing" but Jay didn't run that summer, X did.

Also "Street's Watching" even though it eventually went Plat it wasn't a huge soundtrack at that time. "Belly" did better than it on the charts. Also DMX was on that album as well as "HKL". Jay was on X 2nd album. Jay basically came at the end of the 3rd quarter onto the 4th quarter. X was bubbling for ever single quarter of 1998.

(Belly soundtrack came out Nov 98 and debut at #5 on the Billboard 200)

Here's all the features DMX was on in 98:

1998 "Money, Power & Respect"
1998 "We Be Clubbin' (remix)
1998 "Murdergram"
1998 "Shut 'Em Down"
1998 "We Got This" John Forté Poly Sci
1998 "Get Your shyt Right" Jermaine Dupri, The Madd Rapper Life in 1472
1998 "Freestyle Over Mobb Deep's "Give Up the Goods (Just Step)"" Funkmaster Flex The Mix Tape, Vol. III
1998 "Whatcha Gonna Do?" Jayo Felony, Method Man Whatcha Gonna Do?
1998 "Money, Cash, Hoes" Jay-Z Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life
1998 "Top Shotter" Sean Paul, Mr. Vegas Belly
1998 "You Don't Hear Me Though"
1998 "Nowhere to Run" Ozzy Osbourne, Ol' Dirty b*stard, The Crystal Method, Fuzzbubble South Park: Chef Aid
1998 "Ruff Ryders' Anthem (remix)" DJ Clue, Jadakiss, Styles P, Drag-On, Eve The Professional
1998 "It's On" DJ Clue

That's not counting both albums and the Belly Soundtrack. And again he started the year still on fire from his late 97 callabo's that bleed over. Nobody is saying Jay didn't have a good 98 but the thread said X ruled with an Ironfist and when you think about it.

He did by again being hot the entire year from beginning to end. Jay's biggest songs in 98 were "Money ain't a Thing, Can I get a and Hard Knock Life". "That's Alright and Money, Cash, Hoes" were the huge street anthems. So again I don't want to take nothing from Jay but X clearly ruled longer in 98.

Well damn...

 

[Notorioushnic]

Are you really arguing that Flesh was a home run? I too thought Vol 2 was a disappointment - I actually think IDAHIH is better than Vol 2. But Flesh was much more of a brick then Vol 2.

Also - stop running away from the fact that you intentionally made a thread title asserting that X was dominant. That's bullshyt and you know it. Don't try to make it like you've always been arguing they were neck and neck.

I aint running away from shyt. The nikka almost pushed plat with his second album the first week and became the 2nd rapper after Pac to make history. How is that NOT a homerun? Cotdamn you nikkas need internet access literally thrown in the bushes

 

[MustafaSTL]

Only people who aren't babies on here and weren't around in 1998 try this sales argument to prove a point. X was that dude in 98. His two albums were only PART of why he ran that year. His features and movies are also part of the equation. It's like when Wayne was on a bunch of features back in 2007 or whenever it was but The Carter III was just the icing on the cake. This silly debate between Jay warriors and obvious trolls should have ended long ago.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

LOL @ crack man warriors...

how can you "run it" and be 2nd in sales?

 

[Bondye Vodou]

It's dark and hell is hot >>> any camammal album

 

[Gifted one]

LOL @ crack man warriors...

how can you "run it" and be 2nd in sales?

I guess Jay was 2nd in sales too since Lauryn hill outsold them both that year and won more grammies than them both combined in 99

 

[intilectual recipricol]

I guess Jay was 2nd in sales too since Lauryn hill outsold them both that year and won more grammies than them both combined in 99

Okay. I didnt make a thread sayin Jay ran 98 with an iron fist though... see the difference? Or are you too dumb to see it? You just defeated your own shyt. Thanks for playin dummy.

 

[Gifted one]

Okay. I didnt make a thread sayin Jay ran 98 with an iron fist though... see the difference? Or are you too dumb to see it? You just defeated your own shyt. Thanks for playin dummy.

But according to you, if X was 2nd, you're implying Jay being first, when you forgot Lauryn Hill sold more than them both, not playing dummy, just using your own words against you, you can't call anyone a dummy when you can't even spell your own SN right

 

[28 Gramz]

LOL @ crack man warriors...

how can you "run it" and be 2nd in sales?

So Juvenile was hotter than X and Jay-Z in 99-2000, cause 400 Degreez sold 5 milly?

 

[Gifted one]

So Juvenile was hotter than X and Jay-Z in 99-2000, cause 400 Degreez sold 5 milly?

That nikka ethered himself badly with his own post, talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

So Juvenile was hotter than X and Jay-Z in 99-2000, cause 400 Degreez sold 5 milly?

Well, No, your #'s arent adding up dummy.

400 degreez is only 4X lets be clear... and that was between 98-00

HKL is 5X in that same 2 years... meanwhile Vol 3 went 2X plat in three months between Dec of 99 and Feb of 00... so Jay is at 8X while Juvi is at 4X... DMX sold more as well

but Juvi had a nice run though...

You niccaz still proving beyond a shadow of a doubt how dumb you are