Lets talk about Russell Westbrook being most dominant PG w/ broken hand

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Obviously you have a hard time reading, I already said that Curry will always have the advantage (as long as he keeps playing the way he does and the Warriors keep winning they way they are). Plus the voters will weigh into account their record since Westbrook returned from injury. It won't be as simple as being a 6/7 seed, like I've already stated.


Cousy/Russell did it. It's still within the realms of possibility. Certainly when both of them are top 5 players.


Why do you always take everything out of context? I never said it disqualified Harden from being a candidate, just that he didn't have the best argument out of all the players in the MVP discussion. Why are you acting like I said that Harden isn't in the MVP frame (given how the voting system works), when I already mentioned he was? The thread clearly said that he should be #1 ahead of Gasol/Curry, I disagreed with that.

READ YOU DUMB fukk.

As above, Curry will have the advantage over Westbrook, Harden and whoever else, as long as the Warriors have the best record. That thread proclaimed that Harden was more deserving than Curry up to this point, I stated why he wasn't (I also mentioned that Harden was one of the candidates) and his turnover rate was ONE of the reasons why he shouldn't have an argument over Curry. ONE of the reasons. ONE of the reasons. Would you like me to say it again? ONE of the reasons, NOT the sole reason like you're making it out to be (Westbrook does need to clean up his turnover numbers too, don't get it fukked up).

Plus I like how you're blatantly leaving out the fact that that Harden's numbers were accumulated on 37/38%-40% shooting for over 70% of the season and only recently upped his average to 42%, whereas Westbrook is currently shooting 50%.

Not to mention he's playing less than 30 minutes per game (Harden is playing 37 minutes), so his production will go up.

If we were to take that 9 minute game where he got injured against the Clippers out of the equation (which skews all his averages) - a clearer picture of his season would be:

28.5 ppg on 50% shooting, 7.0 apg, 6.2 rpg, 4.3 turnovers on 32.5 minutes per game.

That's quite clearly the best numbers out of any player in the league (yes, even taking the turnovers into account).

Once KD starts to develop some rhythm and plays more minutes, I do expect it to take an effect on Westbrook's numbers, although with the way he's playing it won't be much. I certainly don't think Durant will be averaging 32 ppg this season. With all these metrics and advanced stats that are becoming more and more relevant in the game and with Westbrook pretty much the leader in all of them - it will go a LONG way when we get to the business end of the season and everything is micro-measured for MVP voting.

Westbrook's current PER is 31.78, which is currently 2nd best of all time, not just this season. I don't expect him to maintain that rate for the entire season, but there won't be much of a sharp drop off as long as he stays healthy.

Even though it's still far too early, I just threw out the idea that Westbrook winning the MVP is a realistic chance of happening. That is all.

Or maybe it's you who's incapable of knowing how the game works. :ld:
Winning MVP on a low seed with another MVP candidate starting next to you has no realistic chance of happening. That is all.

Don't make foolish/dishonest arguments to begin with and you wont have to spend so much time clarifying/getting upset/backpeddling/copping pleas. Save yourself a lot of trouble.
 
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Winning MVP on a low seed with another MVP candidate starting next to you has no realistic chance of happening. That is all.
Yes there is a realistic chance of it happening, and as I said the voters will weigh into account what the Thunder's record is since he's been back. He's averaging the best numbers in the league at the moment, as well as leading those canon-metrics that are propped up during MVP talk time. A player that has the best numbers in the league will ALWAYS be in the MVP mix, regardless of who they're playing with. At this current rate, it's certainly not unreasonable to suggest that Westbrook wouldn't have a sound argument.

Don't make foolish/dishonest arguments to begin with and you wont have to spend so much time clarifying/getting upset/backpeddling/copping pleas. Save yourself a lot of trouble.
The only one that's being dishonest and foolish is you, by taking what I've said in this thread and the other thread out of context. Maybe if you'd read a little more carefully, there wouldn't be an issue.
 

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Only 9 games but the gawd has put up some ridiculous stats

50% FG percentage on 20 shots per game
38% 3pt%
31.7% per(:whoa:)
60% ts%
.269 W/S 48
26ppg 7apg 5rpg


the gawd :bow:
He could break both his hands and pull a hamstring and still be a better offensive player than Rajon Rondo.
 

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Not at all. They're 7-1 since he's been back, and only AD comes close to his level of dominance. If this trend continues (there's no reason to think that it shouldn't, injuries aside), the Thunder will be a 6th/7th seed + he'll have the stats in his favor to beat out every other candidate.

A top 2-3 seed won't matter much, Davis is currently #3 and Pelicans aren't even in the playoffs picture.
AD is the most dominant player in the league, lets end that debate right there. The way he is playing right now can't be touched by anyone currently.

Curry has the advantage in the MVP voting because of how well the warriors are playing though. I'll admit to that.
 
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AD is the most dominant player in the league, lets end that debate right there. The way he is playing right now can't be touched by anyone currently..
Nah it's not clear cut. There's certainly a debate. Westbrook has been unstoppable, since returning from injury, he's averaged:

27.1 ppg on 51% shooting, 6.7 rpg and 7.1 assists on only 32.3 minutes. And even though it's far too early to be throwing this out there, those are all-time great #s, those are the same numbers on relatively the same efficiency that Jordan put up at the same age.

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Nah it's not clear cut. There's certainly a debate. Westbrook has been unstoppable, since returning from injury, he's averaged:

27.1 ppg on 51% shooting, 6.7 rpg and 7.1 assists on only 32.3 minutes. And even though it's far too early to be throwing this out there, those are all-time great #s, those are the same numbers on relatively the same efficiency that Jordan put up at the same age.

:manny:
Davis is on pace to have the most efficient season in NBA History breh, just stop it already.

You can type out the numbers any way you can, but I don't ever remember in my 20+ years of watching basketball anyone being as dominant as AD is right now...with the exception of Hakeem during his first title run.
 

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Yes there is a realistic chance of it happening, and as I said the voters will weigh into account what the Thunder's record is since he's been back. He's averaging the best numbers in the league at the moment, as well as leading those canon-metrics that are propped up during MVP talk time. A player that has the best numbers in the league will ALWAYS be in the MVP mix, regardless of who they're playing with. At this current rate, it's certainly not unreasonable to suggest that Westbrook wouldn't have a sound argument.


The only one that's being dishonest and foolish is you, by taking what I've said in this thread and the other thread out of context. Maybe if you'd read a little more carefully, there wouldn't be an issue.
How many times has a player won the MVP on a low playoff seed?

How many times has a guy won the MVP on a low seed while missing a bunch of games and also playing next to another MVP?

We're not talking about being in the mix so you can put that goalpost back where it was.
 

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Yes there is a realistic chance of it happening, and as I said the voters will weigh into account what the Thunder's record is since he's been back. He's averaging the best numbers in the league at the moment, as well as leading those canon-metrics that are propped up during MVP talk time. A player that has the best numbers in the league will ALWAYS be in the MVP mix, regardless of who they're playing with. At this current rate, it's certainly not unreasonable to suggest that Westbrook wouldn't have a sound argument.


The only one that's being dishonest and foolish is you, by taking what I've said in this thread and the other thread out of context. Maybe if you'd read a little more carefully, there wouldn't be an issue.
Nah, there is no shot unless the Thunder go on a crazy 20+ game winning streak.

It's the same reason AD has no shot of winning either.
 

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Davis is on pace to have the most efficient season in NBA History breh, just stop it already.

You can type out the numbers any way you can, but I don't ever remember in my 20+ years of watching basketball anyone being as dominant as AD is right now...with the exception of Hakeem during his first title run.
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Davis is on pace to have the most efficient season in NBA History breh, just stop it already.

You can type out the numbers any way you can, but I don't ever remember in my 20+ years of watching basketball anyone being as dominant as AD is right now...with the exception of Hakeem during his first title run.
Well this is just silly, and ignorant towards the fact that #s could go against what you're seeing. How many Thunder games have you watched this season when Westbrook has played?
 
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