Let's talk brehs. Have AA men overall become too comfortable/complacent?

[NoChillJones]

I'm not "bashing" us but i notice that whenever somebody starts talking about not getting too comfortable in low positions etc a bunch of dudes start talking about how nikkas should be "grateful" for whatever we get from the white man. A lot of dudes are grateful for crumbs, and cling to those crumbs until they reach old age. I think a lot of it is fear to try something different. "What if i fail" what if you don't?

Somebody mentioned black men not working together enough, and i have to agree. Black boys and men shouldn't have to rely on cacs and other non black men for employment and resources. Black men should work together more to do things for black people. Dudes are quick to say that one black man can't do something, ok so why not link up with other black men and try. 5 black men putting resources together is better than 1 guy out there trying to do it all by himself. I did it on my own, but it wasn't by choice.

Brehs talk that "pro black" shyt but honestly you don't see a lot of black men teaming up to build together, especially in our own communities. The men who open up stores together and employ each other are mostly non-black. The black men living there don't fukk with each other like that outside of partying and shyt. Not on a business tip. You can say they do but you can look around and see that's not the case.

We love to see black men beef with each other all the time, but then complain about men of other races making moves together, putting each other on, like they're somehow WRONG for building with and helping the people who look like them. "Arabs are buying up everything" "It ain't fair how them Mexicans are opening businesses" etc

I'm not looking down on anybody, because i've worked some undesirable jobs before, where the upper manangement was mostly white, black men of all ages working in the lower positions and getting paid less, and i did it because at the time i didn't really have any other option, i was a young black man but there weren't any black men around with any businesses or strong connections who could give me a job, that's the same case for a lot of other black men. What some of us are saying is, we need to ensure that our sons won't have to do the same thing, working for cacs because they don't have any other choice.

One reason cacs don't take the complaining serious is because after complaining about them, we go right back to work for them anyway. If you were them would you take that seriously? If you owned something and the people who worked for you complained about how much they hate you off the clock, but then come right back and work for you forever, making you and your family and friends wealthier, would you take them seriously?

False fallacy abouy this post.

Having a job as man period in this day and age is admirable. It takes more heart and confidence to worl a loe wage job then any other job out there. Because you know what that jobs stipulation means. Long hours shyt pay and having a job the public knows is low tier. They are able to pride aside and take care if thirt regardless. To you that might not mean much...but to people who have truly workde in many sides of the specrtum it is admirable.

The fallacy that other races work together more or are more united us another fallacy. As you have nothing to compare those races to in other countries they come from. Imagine if 100 hundred Americans moved to China at the same time and lived in the same area. If China gave them vouchers for food..school..transportation..loans..and education..and they all stayed..they would more then likely all band toghether and form a community to provide economic sustenance...why...because they all have thier Americanism in common. Thats just human psychology in play.

 

[Skrilla]

I agree but ppl have needs.

The issue to me seems to be that black men seem more afraid of failure (business-wise) than other races of men.

Secondly, black men don't seem to understand the importance of passing down something to our kids. It's not even just about ourselves, it's about our sons too, but a lot of dudes are creating babies that they can't even give a job to.

Black men in 2017 still can't even employ ourselves, let alone our women and children, but then wonder why they lack respect for black men?

For some strange reason, we don't fear failure as much when it comes to applying for these jobs over and over, or failure when it comes to sports or rap. We don't fear risk when it comes to selling drugs. But when it comes to trying to start businesses together, there is a lot of fear, and i do think we have a bigger fear towards entrepreneurship than other races of men. That's why they're pursuing it anyway and for the most part we're not. We just talk about how we "might fail" black men aren't scared to take risks, it's just that we take risks at the WRONG shyt.

Why go to school, learn how to start a business, invest hard earned money, fail, rinse and repeat and be broke / lonely until I'm successful

when its the nikka working a factory job and selling weed on the side getting all the bytches, poppin all the bottles, driving the nice car, sitting in a nice condo etc? I know nikkas dead because they couldnt shake that mentality and nikkas flourishing with the same mentality. Makes it hard for the square nikka to be on a straight/narrow.

It's about not having to depend on other races of men for a job. Yeah a business could fail, but a nikka could also easily lose that "job" and then have to go back out there and find another one, and he will only get it if that white/non black man wants to hire him, happens all the time. The black unemployment and underemployment is always higher than everyone elses, and nikkas actually act confused about why. It's because black men are dependent on other races of men for employment. Literally no other men are as dependent as we are on others for our livelihood. Even in areas where a bunch of black men live, non black men are always the one who own the businesses and hire their own people.

It's also about ensuring that our black sons, nephews, etc won't have to beg non blacks for a job either. A big problem is that a lot of black men are too selfish to understand this. It's all about ourselves and what feels good (i.e. expensive shoes, clothes, weed, p*ssy, stunting, etc)

Black men have the highest incarceration, underemployment, unemployment rates out of all men in the U.S., lowest entrepreneurship rates, get paid the least out of all men, etc....but nikkas act like all is well...it's like we just don't care. Black people are the underclass, and black men don't care. Yeah partying and flexing off the clock is fun...but non black men who have the power to hire and fire people overall have more freedom than nikkas who could be laid off at any point and can't employ himself, or any other black people especially his woman or kids

 

[Mr swag]

White supremacy

 

[Buckeye Fever]

I know a lot of Black men who are content with their $15/hr job. They also like the 60 hr work weeks, slavin' for that $22.50 OT.

I ask them if they ever thought about advancing in their career, and they look at me like I told them some slave revolution/rebellion shyt.

 

[Kenny West]

Thread reminds me of a convo I had with my homie a few months back. I was talking about being frustrated with growth & trying to take my shyt to the next level, and he tells me "you good tho, you got a car your own crib and a job most nikkas aint even doing that " to make make me feel better. And it's true but lowkey that's not even that good a look it feels like the basics. I had that set up @ 23. It doesn't feel like a win to pass dudes who are slumming it or are not even in the game due to the system or life going left on them.

However it doesn't feel right to just call it complacency on black men's part because to earn a living, own a home, have a car etc is like the standard american dream, race be damned. Most people in this country aren't going to pull in 6 figure salaries or be entrepreneurs and are okay with that. Blue collar americans live happy fulfilling lives with houses and families getting "crumbs" compared to their bosses everyday b. Wanting more than that is an individual thing, because "more" is only based in comparison to everybody else. Just like the "complacent nikka/Jody" is an individual thing, it's just that the complacent nikka is enabled by the overall underachievement associated with black folks

It would be different if most black men were conscious/pro black or identified as such. If you're on some black shyt then you should know what needs to be done and make the type of moves necessary I can't respect a lifetime worth of woofing about what other nikkas or black women got to do nor can I respect a lifetime of crying about white ppl.

But this isn't the case people most folks are ignorant and even some that know better are still just trying to get in where they fit in within the current paradigm, ignorance and all.

Women allow a lot of black men to be. nikkas know that working a menial job, having a decent car, the latest jordans, A gold chain and some polo is enough to attract most black women and that a dikk game is enough to keep em. As a result they get that and become complacent. A lot of black women are also intimidated by educated, self sufficient black men. And I'm not talking about rich men. I mean those who are socially aware and attentive. Black women like to be in control and see nikkas like that as too boring, challenging or arrogant. You can try and drop gems on em and they'll think you're just talking shyt or being a know it all. An athlete or rapper might have money, fame etc. but a lot of them are still unintelligent. Women know this and prey on them for that reason knowing that p*ssy is enough to have them wrapped around their fingers. It's the control they want.

But yea most men do what they do to obtain women, start a family etc. it's the sad reality. If black women held the average nikka to a hire standard , the average nikka would strive for more.

No. That setup is enough to pull a woman of any race, it just isn't impressive.

The only difference black women make in this is they share blackmen's worthless rap influenced materialism along with crumbling family values. So they judge and chase men based on image. "complacent nikkas" have a lane thanks to this, they can fake an image and get enough p*ssy to be fulfilled enough to not want more. Or worse, dudes gambling their freedom to eat off the image on borrowed time and dirty money.

But lauding those images instead of people humbly building things for real is as much our fault as theirs

 

[Skrilla]

I knew dudes would come in here talking about being scared to fail business-wise....

Why are most of us scared of failure when it comes to entrepreneurship but not when it comes to music, sports, or these jobs that could lay you off at anytime? If you get laid off of a job, and you don't have your own way to make your own money (legally), then you have to wait for another cac to decide to hire you, some of you might not consider that failure but it is. Not because you got laid off but because you are totally dependent on cacs/non black men for employment. The question is, why do american black men fear failure when it comes to business, but not when it comes to everything else?.....

And why is it, whenever a nikka comes on here talking about his music a lot of yall tell him to "follow his dreams" and he can make it, nothing about "failure" then? Even though, chances are, he WILL fail? Why do we fear failure when it comes to entrepreneurship but not these music pipe dreams and everything else?

 

[Dreamzeedream]

I know a lot of Black men who are content with their $15/hr job. They also like the 60 hr work weeks, slavin' for that $22.50 OT.

I ask them if they ever thought about advancing in their career, and they look at me like I told them some slave revolution/rebellion shyt.

I'm not gone lie. I make minimum wage right now, its 10.50 in Chicago, but $15/hr with 22.02 overtime would be a blessings right now

 

[Skrilla]

@DrX @mamba @seveninthechamber

 

[Izanami]

I work in a trauma 1 level city hospital and the lack of black men ( African American) in professional positions irks me. There are a lot of hatians and west Africans but as far as AAs the majority work in non professional positions. Nothing wrong with holding a job in transport or house keeping but I would love to see more in higher professional positions.


As far as black women I've come across more black female doctors, practitioners, nurses etc.

 

[Chrishaune]

Nah breh....we're out here grinding. I just got off work today, and I'm going to school tomorrow. I'm reading all that I can everyday to have myself prepared spiritually and mentally. Can't stop, won't stop.....

 

[Dreamzeedream]

sad reality but its fair. at the root, sex is a physiological need. and then beneath the surface everyone wants love/companionship

love/companionship is one thing. But I don't believe basing your whole life around sex is gone bring Happiness & Success. I can see if you young or looking for somebody to spend the rest of your life with (A wife) then cool. But once you reach a certain age and you found the right woman for you then what?

 

[b_low_brown]

White supremacy runs on our "comfort"

It's why we're ok voting democrat time and time again yet we complain about the lack of change they constantly advertise to us. Imagine if they actually had to earn our vote

 

[Skrilla]

A lot of you don't think black men are capable of doing what other men are doing, even in our own communities, and that's fukked up i think we are, we just have to realize it

 

[Dreamzeedream]

A lot of you don't think black men are capable of doing what other men are doing, even in our own communities, and that's fukked up i think we are, we just have to realize it

I think we are to. We need strong black leaders though. "Lead by example"

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

It starts young. And I'm in here because contrary to ignorant belief blk women aren't much better off.

From an educational perspective I see a LOT of nonsense happening to blk children.
First, our educational system does NOT give blk kids quality learning. Zoning laws ensure that poverty is consolidated to Title 1 schools. In addition to having at-risk blk kids, these schools also have high rates of students with disabilities and about half the population speaks a language other than English.

None of this would be a problem usually and the diversity could actually take all these demographics higher if Title 1 schools actually did what they said they were going to do: small class sizes, experienced teachers, detailed specific positive behavior schoolwide plan, consistent parent communication.

Schools with primarily poor and minority students do NONE of this shyt. Not even the bare minimum. Classrooms are packed. Parents are rarely informed of progress unless there are behavior issues. Behaviors are managed primarily punitively. Quality and experienced teachers are pushed out because u have to pay them more or they leave halfway thru the year from stress. So our children are taught by whoever can pick up the slack and oftentimes lose over half an instructional year of learning.

Consider the fact that school is supposed to be transformative for an individual and inspire students to explore themselves and their interests. Growing up my poor ass public schools were amazing. We had a wide array of extra curriculuar opportunities, a large assortment of trade classes, project based learning, student leadership opportunities, students participated in behavior process, job shadowing, quarterly community talks, quarterly field trips, community building projects. We had a little bit of everything going on. People blame parents but even parents can only do so much because the majority of ur child's waking life will be spent in these educational institutions that depress our children, strip them of any desire to learn or even dream, and make them give up on life early on.

Educational reform is the first step to fix the self esteem and motivation of blk men and women to do better. Because by the time they graduate, if they graduate, they will be at an age where life starts and many reach this age w/o a plan and by that time it's almost too late.