Life After Death proves Biggie hated Pac despite what he said in interviews.

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He got clapped 6 months later so what goes around comes around. Puffy and Big knew he was getting setup in the NY studio and I believe Puff put that hit out the next year in Vegas . Puffy is the main c*nt. Too bad he didn't get clapped. :pacspit:
 
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I totally get the fact he was raised by the Panthers so he had that activists side to him. I wasn't saying he was soft...he just thought he meant so much to the people no one would touch him. That thinking is false!! IMO tho he indulged in the "Thug Life" to much. That shyt lead to his demise...and unfortunately dragged BIG in that mess. He kept repeatedly involving himself in REAL street shyt.

It sucks because PAC regardless of the BS was a natural born leader. Dude coulda went on to be so much more.

As far as BIG goes again...don't know how much more PAC wanted from him. Should he have seen him in the hospital...sure, should he have visited him in jail...yeah. BIG was just a rapper a very good one at that! He rapped with so much detail you actually believed he was living that life...he wasn't tho. He put Pac on and told him to watch them dudes, I highly doubt he was in a position to do much else.

Tupac's biological pops confirmed Big & Cease went to the hospital to see him. According to Cease they gave him his gun back he stashed at the studio
 

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Tupac's biological pops confirmed Big & Cease went to the hospital to see him. According to Cease they gave him his gun back he stashed at the studio
Lil Cease is a straight up liar anyway. nikka flip flops like crazy. And has lied about other useless simple shyt involving Biggie. Like in 03 he told XXL Long Kiss Goodnight was definitely goin at Pac and Biggie had some horrible intro to it that he ended up taking off cause it was too much. Fast forward to 2012 the nikka tells the same publication that it wasn't a Pac diss and was just some MC lyrics n shyt. nikka lied about the process of recording Brooklyn's Finest wit Jay Z as well.
 

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Lil Cease is a straight up liar anyway. nikka flip flops like crazy. And has lied about other useless simple shyt involving Biggie. Like in 03 he told XXL Long Kiss Goodnight was definitely goin at Pac and Biggie had some horrible intro to it that he ended up taking off cause it was too much. Fast forward to 2012 the nikka tells the same publication that it wasn't a Pac diss and was just some MC lyrics n shyt. nikka lied about the process of recording Brooklyn's Finest wit Jay Z as well.

Yeah I've heard the same things about Cease too but in this instance I believe him because Tupac's pops said they went there to see him before I heard Cease on record say they went there. Whether or not he brought Pac's gun back is another story
 

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He got clapped 6 months later so what goes around comes around. Puffy and Big knew he was going to setup in the studio and I believe Puff put that hit out the next year . Puffy is the main c*nt. Too bad he didn't get clapped. :pacspit:
They underestimating how real this shyt was..
 
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Yeah I've heard the same things about Cease too but in this instance I believe him because Tupac's pops said they went there to see him before I heard Cease on record say they went there. Whether or not he brought Pac's gun back is another story
Yea I mean if his pops said it I kinda got no choice but to believe it. I was talkin bout the gun shyt. Cease be lyin bro.
 

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I totally get the fact he was raised by the Panthers so he had that activists side to him. I wasn't saying he was soft...he just thought he meant so much to the people no one would touch him. That thinking is false!! IMO tho he indulged in the "Thug Life" to much. That shyt lead to his demise...and unfortunately dragged BIG in that mess. He kept repeatedly involving himself in REAL street shyt.

It sucks because PAC regardless of the BS was a natural born leader. Dude coulda went on to be so much more.

As far as BIG goes again...don't know how much more PAC wanted from him. Should he have seen him in the hospital...sure, should he have visited him in jail...yeah. BIG was just a rapper a very good one at that! He rapped with so much detail you actually believed he was living that life...he wasn't tho. He put Pac on and told him to watch them dudes, I highly doubt he was in a position to do much else.

I wasn't just speaking to you breh, I was kinda addressing the whole thread springboarding off your post, but respect.

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As for BIG like I said...put the shoes on the other foot, Pac would have rode for BIG to his own detriment, I truly believe that.

And again Thug Lyfe wasn't necessarily about thuggin. CRIP once stood for Community Revolution In Progress, you dig? It was about trying to recreate what the Panthers stood for in that area and you see what it turned into without unity or guidance. Pac was trying to do that on a larger scale.

He couldn't do that though without having the hearts and the minds of street nikkas. I forget what speech it was but he was trying to tell the elders that in a round about way that you can't ostracize and condemn these young nikkas..you gotta speak their language, you gotta win their hearts before you can guide their minds, and you're not gonna do that with the same ole pre-crack boom rhetoric.

 
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bruhs, bruhs... can we please show respect for both of these legends and let them rest in peace?!

look, biggie is my favorite rapper/mc of all time but i got love for pac too and i realize that the both of them were caught up in a beef that should've never been because in the beginnin' they were friends and cool. both of them went back and forth at each other and while i still enjoyin' listenin' to both of their music, it's hard sometimes listenin' to some of those songs bein' older now because the more you look back on what was goin' on then, it's like, it should've never come to what it did

recordin' for life after death had been goin' for close to 2 years i think, i remember readin' it was 18 months of recordin' at various locations, so a lot of it NOT ALL was recordin' while their beef was goin' on. now, obviously certain songs were recorded post beef but keep it mind, biggie was 24 when he died. YOUNG. pac was 25 when he died! YOUNG. these guys were young as were the guys around them, no one was mature enough to pull back on a lot of the "tough guy" talk and say hey, "we gotta stop this bullshyt and get back on good terms because this is ridiculous" but i'm sure, just like pac felt the need to vent when he got out, biggie felt the same way after diss had been thrown his way. i feel like this beef was bigger than biggie and pac but they got caught up in some bullshyt because they were "voices"

i just wish someone with enough power could have stepped in and stop all that bullshyt because in the end 2 mothers lost their sons, 2 families lost their loved ones, 2 kids lost a dad and we as hip hop fans lost 2 of the most interestin' artists hip hop has ever seen

i miss both those brothers and hip hop to ME has NEVER been the same since we lost the both of them

i heard "so many tears" today on the radio and as i drivin', i was thinkin' to myself, "damn, this song is 21 years old and it's still as hauntin' and surreal as it was in 95'. it's a shame a generation of not only hip hop fans but fans of great music will never get to see an artist of this caliber in hip hop again. pac was truly 1 of a kind and had this chillin' way of gettin' his point across without havin' to be this lyrical acrobat. you hear his voice and the words so clearly because he comes so directly at you when he's rhymin', he makes his point clear as day" :mjcry:

and the flip side of that is, earlier this week i was listenin' to "life after death" and while biggie has his diss records to a wide range of people on there, i thought to myself, "as a lyricist and artist, he'd gotten even better with the way he showed his versatility as mc with street tracks, club joints, and introspective songs. his voice sounds more relaxed and in control than his debut (though "ready to die" is his best album imo). "life after death" similar to "the 7 day theory", just makes me think, if these guys would've had the chance to record another album, what would their next albums have sounded like, because these 2 albums right here are already outta this world and miles ahead of what all these other nikkas doin' :damn::mjcry:


r.i.p. pac and b.i.g. we miss y'all and hip hop still ain't the same without y'all brothers :mjcry:
 

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Does he look broke? I bet the jewellery he's flashing here cost over $50,000.

Add his other jewellery, his cars, living expenses, the dozen music videos, studio time, family expenses, etc. etc. into the mix and it's not too surprising.

nikkas forget about all the lawyer fees and lawsuits across the country Pac was dealing with...along with the fact Pac was only on Deathrow for about 8 months,and the album didn't drop soon as he got there....how quick do you nikkas think a rapper gets paid off they album:mjlol:?and guably the success of aeom would've just got him out of his hole debt wise..
 
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If you gon speak on it speak all the way on it, acting like he was mad at him for not jumping in front of bullets. Pac felt his behavior was suspect and he was probably right.

He said them nikkas laid down before the guns came out like they were in on the whole shyt. Then instead of riding for that he starts hanging with Biggie and avoiding coming to holla at Pac while he was locked up. Anybody in their right mind, especially knowing the kind of clout Henchman has/had would think that his "new friends" got him to switch sides whether it was for money or fear.

Again it's a matter of a degree of loyalty that Pac would have shown him and Biggie that wasn't reciprocated...they were scared of Henchman (rightfully so), he wasn't.

LISTEN TO "Holla at me":

When me and you was homies
no one informed me it was all a scheme
You infiltrated my team and sold a nikkas dreams

how could you do me like that ?
I took ya family in
I put some cash in ya pocket
made you a man again
and now you let tha fear put your ass in a place
complicated to escape
It's a fools fate
without your word
your a shell of a man
I lost respect for you nikka
we can never be friends
I know i'm runnin' through your head now
what could you do ?
If it was up to you
i'd be dead now
I let tha world know nikka you a coward
You could never be live
until you die
see tha mothafukken bytch in your eye
Type of nikka, that let tha evil of tha money trap me
when ya see me nikka
You betta holla at me

nikka you think I am reading all this shyt?! I knew Big personally, I know Dred who stuck Pac, his son etc. You nikkas are stans far removed, no more, no less. And yes I can have a nikka vouch for me who is very respected on this site but I won't go there. I'm done in this, keep dikkriding writing theories about a nikka you ain't know.
 

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bruhs, bruhs... can we please show respect for both of these legends and let them rest in peace?!

look, biggie is my favorite rapper/mc of all time but i got love for pac too and i realize that the both of them were caught up in a beef that should've never been because in the beginnin' they were friends and cool. both of them went back and forth at each other and while i still enjoyin' listenin' to both of their music, it's hard sometimes listenin' to some of those songs bein' older now because the more you look back on what was goin' on then, it's like, it should've never come to what it did

recordin' for life after death had been goin' for close to 2 years i think, i remember readin' it was 18 months of recordin' at various locations, so a lot of it NOT ALL was recordin' while their beef was goin' on. now, obviously certain songs were recorded post beef but keep it mind, biggie was 24 when he died. YOUNG. pac was 25 when he died! YOUNG. these guys were young as were the guys around them, no one was mature enough to pull back on a lot of the "tough guy" talk and say hey, "we gotta stop this bullshyt and get back on good terms because this is ridiculous" but i'm sure, just like pac felt the need to vent when he got out, biggie felt the same way after diss had been thrown his way. i feel like this beef was bigger than biggie and pac but they got caught up in some bullshyt because they were "voices"

i just wish someone with enough power could have stepped in and stop all that bullshyt because in the end 2 mothers lost their sons, 2 families lost their loved ones, 2 kids lost a dad and we as hip hop fans lost 2 of the most interestin' artists hip hop has ever seen

i miss both those brothers and hip hop to ME has NEVER been the same since we lost the both of them

i heard "so many tears" today on the radio and as i drivin', i was thinkin' to myself, "damn, this song is 21 years old and it's still as hauntin' and surreal as it was in 95'. it's a shame a generation of not only hip hop fans but fans of great music will never get to see an artist of this caliber in hip hop again. pac was truly 1 of a kind and had this chillin' way of gettin' his point across without havin' to be this lyrical acrobat. you hear his voice and the words so clearly because he comes so directly at you when he's rhymin', he makes his point clear as day" :mjcry:

and the flip side of that is, earlier this week i was listenin' to "life after death" and while biggie has his diss records to a wide range of people on there, i thought to myself, "as a lyricist and artist, he'd gotten even better with the way he showed his versatility as mc with street tracks, club joints, and introspective songs. his voice sounds more relaxed and in control than his debut (though "ready to die" is his best album imo). "life after death" similar to "the 7 day theory", just makes me think, if these guys would've had the chance to record another album, what would their next albums have sounded like, because these 2 albums right here are already outta this world and miles ahead of what all these other nikkas doin' :damn::mjcry:


r.i.p. pac and b.i.g. we miss y'all and hip hop still ain't the same without y'all brothers :mjcry:
Great post bro. shyt is sad all around. It just amazes me that some people still harbor so much emotion about that situition that they have legitimate hate for one or the other. Altho I feel alot of these cats didn't live thru the shyt and just speaking on shyt they weren't even around or old enough to experience.
 
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