Life After Death proves Biggie hated Pac despite what he said in interviews.

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nikkas forget about all the lawyer fees and lawsuits across the country Pac was dealing with...along with the fact Pac was only on Deathrow for about 8 months,and the album didn't drop soon as he got there....how quick do you nikkas think a rapper gets paid off they album:mjlol:?and guably the success of aeom would've just got him out of his hole debt wise..

Exactly. And Fatal said Pac was walking through the streets of NYC on Sept. 4 giving out $100 bills.
 
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Great post bro. shyt is sad all around. It just amazes me that some people still harbor so much emotion about that situition that they have legitimate for one or the other. Altho I feel alot of these cats didn't live thru the shyt and just speaking on shyt they weren't even around or old enough to experience.

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yeah, it's just sad, man. EVERYONE from their families to us hip hop fans, lost when we lost the both of them. i can remember when the both of them died:mjcry:

with pac, i was out ridin' with my mom and they announced it on the radio and with biggie i remember it bein' announced late night/early mornin' and both times i was just floored because i just couldn't believe it, it just didn't seem real :to:
 

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I wasn't just speaking to you breh, I was kinda addressing the whole thread springboarding off your post, but respect.

:salute:

As for BIG like I said...put the shoes on the other foot, Pac would have rode for BIG to his own detriment, I truly believe that.

And again Thug Lyfe wasn't necessarily about thuggin. CRIP once stood for Community Revolution In Progress, you dig? It was about trying to recreate what the Panthers stood for in that area and you see what it turned into without unity or guidance. Pac was trying to do that on a larger scale.

He couldn't do that though without having the hearts and the minds of street nikkas. I forget what speech it was but he was trying to tell the elders that in a round about way that you can't ostracize and condemn these young nikkas..you gotta speak their language, you gotta win their hearts before you can guide their minds, and you're not gonna do that with the same ole pre-crack boom rhetoric.
Sometimes thing go crazy even for people with the best intentions. He just got himself involved in 2 much street shyt.

It's fukked up! Who knows what those 2 talented brothers coulda have went on to be.
 

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nikka you think I am reading all this shyt?! I knew Big personally, I know Dred who stuck Pac, his son etc. You nikkas are stans far removed, no more, no less. And yes I can have a nikka vouch for me who is very respected on this site but I won't go there. I'm done in this, keep dikkriding writing theories about a nikka you ain't know.

I ain't post theory, I simply broke down what Pac said himself. You said he was mad because he ain't go out for him at Quad when it was way more to it than that.
 

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yeah, it's just sad, man. EVERYONE from their families to us hip hop fans, lost when we lost the both of them. i can remember when the both of them died:mjcry:

with pac, i was out ridin' with my mom and they announced it on the radio and with biggie i remember it bein' announced late night/early mornin' and both times i was just floored because i just couldn't believe it, it just didn't seem real :to:
I remember the shyt like it was yesterday bro. It's just way easier to appreciate what these 2 cats brought to the game. It's just weird seeing all these Biggie/Pac wars all of a sudden all over again. I haven't went back n forth about this shyt in like mad years. Lol
 
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I remember the shyt like it was yesterday bro. It's just way easier to appreciate what these 2 cats brought to the game. It's just weird seeing all these Biggie/Pac wars all of a sudden all over again. I haven't went back n forth about this shyt in like mad years. Lol

i know, bruh :mjcry:
 

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Biggies fault for being a bytch dont try to rewrite history

Pac taking Gun charges for Junior Mafia
to them keeping quiet about him getting set up

"remember when I used to let you sleep on the couch... and begged a bytch to let you sleep in the house"
"now its all about Versace, you copied my style...5 shots couldnt drop me... I took it and smiled"

dont rewrite history
 

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What nikkas don't seem to understand when looking at the situation is that Pac was raised by Panthers. I've touched on this before.

His apparent naivete about how street nikkas moved wasn't because he was a choir boy or was soft, it was because while he was raised around the criminal element, he also saw these same people move with a code and do for their people in the process...he had a world view of the hood and of black people that pre-dated the complete dismantling of black unity and community.

This is what Thug Lyfe was about which most people gloss over...what he was really trying to do with that movement was bring Panther type codes and ethics to the streets so that the SOLDIERS out in the streets weren't fighting killing their own infantry. Yea it seems far fetched because anybody who grew up in the streets understands that after the Civil Rights movement there was no unity...but he saw what it was like BEFORE.

He wasn't soft, or dumb, he was idealistic. And when these street nikkas and AGENTS showed their hand, they killed Pac's ideals which is why he said it was dead. You can't ask somebody that hot headed to be docile, so once that somber, soul crushing reality wore off about implementing those Thug Lyfe structures and codes to the streets, his fire got directed elsewhere.

I can go in deeper, even to a spiritual level as to what Pac was on...but I can say while he sure as fukk had a big mouth and big ego, he wasn't "crazy" in the sense that he was stupid or having delusions. You look at the game and all these behind the scenes nikkas and you'll see exactly why he put himself on the cross on this final album cover...why he embraced martyrdom.

Would you call a Panther pointing out COINTELPRO agents a "snitch"? That's exactly what these "street nikkas" with no honor or code looked to him and when you take a look at it from far back he was in the right to point these nikkas out...not to the cops, but to real muthafukkas that ain't wanna get indicted or extorted by these so called "real" nikkas that didn't even play by their own rules and regulations.

Now this doesn't excuse his behavior, nobody is perfect, Pac himself woulda told you that, but he was far from a fake nikka or a coward.


As for Biggie hating Pac after all that transpired, I can't blame him. In fact I can't blame him for not wanting to stand next to Pac either after he decided to stand up to real gangstas in his backyard. Nor can I blame Pac for being upset that the same degree of loyalty that he would have given wasn't returned. Had the shoes been on the oether foot, Pac woulda rode for Biggie, to his own detriment, believe that.

They both had legit reasons to feel like they felt at whatever time, I'm fine with that, I made peace with that and I miss BOTH them nikkas as a fan.


But you can't expect him to be all somber when Pac was coming at him so viciously, but I do think their situation could have been worked out if it weren't for Puff and Suge dragging them into their personal bullshyt.
when they bringin reps back man? :why: somebody alert me when it happens for this post
 

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Tupac's estate is worth more money than Prodigy and Havoc combined, all that touring in Europe they do still can't get their paper up. And that's all they do, tour in Europe :mjlol:they can't get money in the States so they appease their cac Euro fan-base by touring in Slovakia and shyt :deadrose:
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They been touring in the US constantly breh. They just finished a US tour in celebration of the 20th anniversary of the classic Hell On Earth album :blessed:
I made a thread about it that did numbers
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/mobb...-album-of-unreleased-tracks-free-reps.398147/

Also, don't forget that not only are they making money touring in the US and Europe, they are also able to tour in Asia as well :wow:
 

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Tupac's estate is worth more money than Prodigy and Havoc combined, all that touring in Europe they do still can't get their paper up. And that's all they do, tour in Europe :mjlol:they can't get money in the States so they appease their cac Euro fan-base by touring in Slovakia and shyt :deadrose:

Being alive with a family >>> Being dead at 25 without a family but with an estate.
 

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i am a fan of both and take no sides, this is my disclaimer.

Life after death was 100% recorded in 1996. I kno because a bootleg of the album was floating around in the fall/winter of 96.

I lived thru the era.

Dj clue also had used some of the tracks on various mixtapes thru 96.

For some verification on dates all u gotta do is matchup when big was in that car crash.

After he was layed up he wrote most the album. Mase brough camron to BIG crib in 96 and cam said he rhymed over all the life after death unreleased instrumentals.

On long kiss goodnight which was written right after his accident he says lil cease crippled him

Id say Life after was recorded between jan 1996 and jan 1997

All this can be verified wit some googles. Look up big car accident, the clue tapes and camron talmbot biggie
The car accident happened after Pac died. Within days to a week or so after Pac died.
 
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