Like i said... everybody finna go "plat" now

Xyrax

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This feels like grasping to the past just because. In 15 years physical sales will be in the gutter even more than now, and our kids aint gonna give a fukk about us old heads going on about Sam Goody Tape and CD sales for Platinum certs my dude.

Its different, but something has to change. You got nikkas out here eating on selling music fresh from soundcloud/youtube to deals and shyt. A new metric has to come along and replace the old to account for this new shyt. :yeshrug:

I got no dog in this fight. However, I'd just like to point something out.

Big Sean sold 7.5 million singles under these new rules.

That's more than the entirety of 50 Cent's singles in his prime. Not just "In Da Club", literally his entire run of singles when he sold 12 mill.

This seems accurate?

Fred.

I think you need to account for the fact that back then half of people would buy singles on iTunes and store shelves, and the other half would buy the whole damn album even though all they really wanted was "In da club".

But these days its more well known that you dont need to break bread for the whole album when you just want tracks #2 #7 and #13. nikkas these days will spend .99 cents a piece on 3 tracks and let the rest of the album rot. So I'm sure these new dudes sell more SINGLES but the overall total album sales are probably way down.
 

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Are people stupid?

It's 2016. I don't know anybody that actually buys albums. A lot of people use Apple Music, Spotify and Tidal instead.

Therefore it's right for streams to be included as sales, it's how people consume music these days


theres still millions of people out there that prefer to buy albums.

theres just rarely anything worth purchasing, especially on the mainstream/major label level.
 

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theres still millions of people out there that prefer to buy albums.

theres just rarely anything worth purchasing, especially on the mainstream/major label level.
There's also lots of people out there that prefer to buy vinyl

People consume music differently so the industry has to adapt. I subscribed to Spotify cause it they had cheap deal and I was like:ohhh:

It's so much better to use streaming apps instead of buying albums (I prefer to buy albums anyway and unsubscribed from Spotify cause they didn't have every mixtape and album I wanted)

I got family members that usually buy albums now just use Apple Music instead. I see people in public using Tidal

And these are paid subscriptions, so technically, people are buying albums if they stream. Only difference is artists aren't getting paid as much
 

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Shut up you whiney dinosaurs.

Not "everybody" is going to go Plat.

The way music is consumed is vastly different then before, the new rules reflect that.

When royce da 5'9 gets a platinum plaque for layers or young thug goes multi platinum for barter 6 then you might have a point.


But you don't. You're just fossils that want to whine about nothing.

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call a 19 year old a dinosaur brehs

:stopitslime: @Prodigal Syndicate The OP's OP & Thread title looks even more stupid now because he's too young to remember when it was normal for every relevant artist to go ATLEAST Gold when they dropped an album.
 

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Screw the new rules..
The old criteria worked because its not easy to just go plat anymore..let them earn that million units moved. Its like now going plat off of youtube views.:camby:
 

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There's also lots of people out there that prefer to buy vinyl

People consume music differently so the industry has to adapt. I subscribed to Spotify cause it they had cheap deal and I was like:ohhh:

It's so much better to use streaming apps instead of buying albums (I prefer to buy albums anyway and unsubscribed from Spotify cause they didn't have every mixtape and album I wanted)

I got family members that usually buy albums now just use Apple Music instead. I see people in public using Tidal

And these are paid subscriptions, so technically, people are buying albums if they stream. Only difference is artists aren't getting paid as much


so when you stop using the stream and paying for these services, then what happens? youre left with nothing.

I'm not saying that people aren't using these things. I'm saying that the main reason why albums sales are down is because of the lack of quality. I watched this chit die out since the early 2000s when most people didn't even have CD burners yet breh. the industry is blaming all their shortcomings on downloading and such, when they actually pushed more people towards going that route, if anything.

I mean dog, people are still buying bootleg CDs like crazy. albums havnt gone anywhere. theres just not much of anything worth buying. that's why I say that we don't acknowledge these new participation trophies that theyre trying to pass off as platinum plaques now.

you couldn't even pay me to be caught with a drake or big sean case in the ride.
 

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so when you stop using the stream and paying for these services, then what happens? youre left with nothing.

I'm not saying that people aren't using these things. I'm saying that the main reason why albums sales are down is because of the lack of quality. I watched this chit die out since the early 2000s when most people didn't even have CD burners yet breh. the industry is blaming all their shortcomings on downloading and such, when they actually pushed more people towards going that route, if anything.

I mean dog, people are still buying bootleg CDs like crazy. albums havnt gone anywhere. theres just not much of anything worth buying. that's why I say that we don't acknowledge these new participation trophies that theyre trying to pass off as platinum plaques now.

you couldn't even pay me to be caught with a drake or big sean case in the ride.
It's not a coincidence that album sales started declining was the internet grew more important to everyday lives.

You might be right about album quality but poor albums were still going gold in the mid 2000s. Right now rappers with a big buzz only sell during the first couple weeks and even 200k in week 1 might not guarantee gold.

But you gotta remember that a lot of good artist are choosing not to take major labels' marketing dollars so the rappers that could've been the next Jay Z or 50 Cent are never gonna have the chance to sell albums anyway. This makes things a lil better for independent artists too.

And at the end of the day, it's all choice. If someone subscribes to a streaming service, they don't have to listen to the music but if they choose to listen to somebody's album, the artist deserves the reward.
 

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Why do some of y'all insist on holding on to a model that is CLEARLY outdated?

Physical sales mean LESS and LESS every year that passes.
 

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It's not a coincidence that album sales started declining was the internet grew more important to everyday lives.

You might be right about album quality but poor albums were still going gold in the mid 2000s. Right now rappers with a big buzz only sell during the first couple weeks and even 200k in week 1 might not guarantee gold.

But you gotta remember that a lot of good artist are choosing not to take major labels' marketing dollars so the rappers that could've been the next Jay Z or 50 Cent are never gonna have the chance to sell albums anyway. This makes things a lil better for independent artists too.

And at the end of the day, it's all choice. If someone subscribes to a streaming service, they don't have to listen to the music but if they choose to listen to somebody's album, the artist deserves the reward.


the internet was important to everyday life during the sales boom period. the biggest illegal download site was at its peak during this time as well.

rappers with a "big buzz" don't sell well nowadays because most of them dudes are jokes. and that includes a lot of these so-called critically-acclaimed rappers.

poor albums were able to still go gold in the mid-2000s because people weren't all the way turned off yet.

yea, a lot of rappers are staying away from majors but people cant buy what they don't know about. so theyre not gonna sell much regardless.

I agree, if your music is streamed, you should get a reward. but not the same award that people received for real live purchases. that's crazy. they should get a participation trophy type of reward instead. there has to be levels to this.
 
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