LL Cool J vs. KRS-One

[Wacky D]

LL is a legend and a pioneer, but people that think LL is a better emcee than KRS probably also think 50 Cent is a better emcee than Andre 3000.

stupid chit like this is the reason why i wasnt trying to make this thread.

this is exactly what i was talking about in the 1st post.

I prefer LL... KRS was always super wack to me; even the song dude posted above, KRS has some elementary ass flow and delivery

@ the bolded.

dude got classic albums but hes a bit overrated.

and people take me out to lunch when they act like krs was some all-time elite lyricist.

 

[Brian O'Conner]

Salty can-i-bus fans still going hard in the paint I see

#1 stop saying LL would lose the battle just stop please.
#2 whoever said KRS would beat LL ass in a one on one is crazy. KRS is fat/outta shape LL is pure muscle
#3 LL has done more for hip hop. He is the blueprint for the flashy rapper with chains popping champane, making the transition to movies and TV ect.
#4 LL got more hit records. This can't be argued. He is an all around more complete MC able to do any type of song

I'm logging off the day cant believe KRS is winning by a large margin. For shame

 

[wtfyomom]

LL is a legend and a pioneer, but people that think LL is a better emcee than KRS probably also think 50 Cent is a better emcee than Andre 3000.

horrible analogy. 50 cent isnt in the convo with the other 3

secondly while I would take KRS I dont see how LL isnt easily better lyrically. Name a KRS song as lyrical as Murdergram or at least half the songs on WWAP

 

[wtfyomom]

stupid chit like this is the reason why i wasnt trying to make this thread.

this is exactly what i was talking about in the 1st post.



@ the bolded.

dude got classic albums but hes a bit overrated.

and people take me out to lunch when they act like krs was some all-time elite lyricist.

Yeah KRS top ten but lyrically he was on some elementary shiiit especially with the disses. Bridge is over is mediocre lyrically, its everything else that makes it great, hes the only top dude from that era that isnt great lyrically. Hes almost like the Tupac of his generation

LL underated as hell lyrically I see, go listen to WWAP and MSKYO dude had lyrics

 

[pete clemenza]

KRS-ONE!

 

[wtfyomom]

I don't agree with this

first of all LL came out first. his style was 'old school'. then when Paid in Full and Criminal Minded came out, that was seen as the 'new school'. BDK and KGR were a couple years after that

LL in 87

LL Cool J - I'm Bad - YouTube

KRS in 87

Poetry-Boogie Down Productions - YouTube

who's style was more advanced at that point?

advancd in what sense? LL's lyrics are still better at that point. Its his sound that is old school. But I fukks with LL first two albums heavy anyway. Bigger and Deffer dont even sound THAT old school to me anymore. Radio yes w/o a doubt

 

[wtfyomom]

ll was never more advanced or a better emcee.

also,...ll had to be mentored.

krs did not.

technically krs was the most ahead of his time emcee actually ever.

as he was the first new school emcee.

who did not lean or base his skills rubrick on oldschool way of thought amalgamated melle mel/caz/moe dee.

or in ll's case the stylings of silver fox.

as he was a complete original with his more deliberate clear slow technical based flow.
where his actual technical rubrick is overlooked, as well as his other skills, constantly.

plus he is the inventor or person, whose flow.

the slow flow is the most copied flow in the history of rap.

along with the greatest clarity and content base in the history of rap, EVER!!

clarity that is the judge and rubrick.

that every rapper in the history of rap after south bronx making an album has or will be judged against, PERIOD!!

next, radio is a high rating album, but not an actual original released classic,..

as the first incarnstion of i need love, dear yvette at the time was one of the worst records ever.

best records on radio:

i need a beat : which is not the enfamous long version
rock the bells
you'll rock
can't live without my radio

incomparison to krs taking the kony crown.

then stomping on it,...and declaring himself the teacher.

kings lose crown,..teachers stay intelligent bodies the idea of the boy king and melle mel's past title, in one fell swoop.

he also,..was the only challenger as an amateur.

to defeat the actual original undisputed goat, melle mel.

plus answered any and every challenge appropiately.

including destroying the entire sellout genre, of hip-house.

from, the city of chicago's draw for the entire eighties till ten tre.
when he served cool rock steady after visiting chicago public highschools.

leading students in fight the violence chants in cps high school hallways of the entire students and faculty through out chicago.

ll, alternatively played defjam puppet and only contributed his presence to the stop the violence movement via the recording of the video. while also never contributing on record to the plight of black america till 93's ill forgotten classic after the fact, all we got left is the beat, on 14 shots to the dome. more than four to five years after krs had spearheaded and elongated the culturized knowledge of self draw for rap and the actual culture of hiphop.

album wise, criminal minded was the first perfect classic.

which contains the first clear slow flow.

including the tracklist content rubrick used for judging and creating every high quality rap record in the history of rap.

plus, cm spawned the best first perfect classic album mixtapes ever.

in a man and his music, the yellow and green versions.

not to mention, cm, includes the bridge is over.

which deaded the greatest collective crew of overly skilled all signed emcees in one fell swoop.

which was the follow up to the argueable next greatest diss record, EVER!!

in the south bronx,..which supercede'd biters in the city.

when it comes to establishing the exact factual cultural history.
of what borough is directly responsible for the original locale of the actual culture, of hiphop.
then he followed it with argueably an even better perfect classic, by any&all means necessary, as well. which included the new school equivalent but better upgrade to moe dee's go see the doctor on jimmy.
which also spearheaded red alert as a national dj icon as well.

on top of the greatest display of slow flow on essays of bdp-ism, in this time period.

while also,..showing diplomacy in hiphop third greatest loss.

in the murder of scott la rock.

after the deaths of cowboy and one half of double trouble, which predated scott death.
these are only a small glimmer of the impact of just his first two albums.

which i can go furter indepth with....if you and wacky wanna get tabled a bit more.


art barr = invading sohh champion

Dear Yvette wasnt the original I need Love if anything it would be I want you and I feel both are dope anyway

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

horrible analogy. 50 cent isnt in the convo with the other 3

secondly while I would take KRS I dont see how LL isnt easily better lyrically. Name a KRS song as lyrical as Murdergram or at least half the songs on WWAP

I didn't say 50 was in the convo with the other 3. It's a valid analogy because someone saying LL is better than is basically saying a braggadocious macho ladies man swag rapper is a better emcee than a thought-provoking lyricist. Same thing holds for saying 50 is better than Andre.

 

[wtfyomom]

none of the radio/bad/mama said is fukking with krs best 3 or so albums or it takes a nation

you crazy mamma said is in contention for goat album ever

 

[wtfyomom]

I didn't say 50 was in the convo with the other 3. It's a valid analogy because someone saying LL is better than is basically saying a macho ladies man swag rapper is a better emcee than a thought-provoking lyricist. Same thing holds for saying 50 is better than Andre.

I dsiagree because 50 at his best, and I used to fucck with 50 heavy, was not on a level of MC as the other 3, not close. So yes I get what youre saying but what if someone chose LL just cause they preferred him as an MC not cause of his subject matter

 

[King Biko]

horrible analogy. 50 cent isnt in the convo with the other 3

secondly while I would take KRS I dont see how LL isnt easily better lyrically. Name a KRS song as lyrical as Murdergram or at least half the songs on WWAP

50 can be mentioned with them 3 honestly. Idk y 50 gets the hate that he does nikka can spit when he want 2

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

you crazy mamma said is in contention for goat album ever

Not even close. It's LL's 3rd best album. Radio, Bigger And Deffer >

 

[wtfyomom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZqHqr6-5lQ


LL did not respond.


KRS buried this guy.

Dont you know you just a worker and your boss is my man

 

[wtfyomom]

Not even close. It's LL's 3rd best album. Radio, Bigger And Deffer >

you nuts, I fukks with LLs first two but they are a lil too old school for goat contention

Mamma said could come out today, Marley Marl in his fucckin prime handled all the beats. LL prob second best lyrical album to WWWAP but everything else about LL was more focused here.

Mamma said even got SOME social commentary. To me its just a more listenable album, its on some Great Adventures of Slick Rick type steez, like light social commentary, enjoyable listen straight through, beats all fire, lyrics are dope

 

[feelosofer]

KRS and I have explained why multiple times, so I'll just repost what I said on

KRS-One did not want to dilute his message when he spat on the mic, but if you listen to any of his raps from the early- mid 90's would easily prove your point moot and invalid, I'm just going to use Sound of the Police as an example as it's a fairly well known song.

Now here's a likkle truth
Open up your eye
While you're checking out the boom-bap, check the exercise
Take the word "overseer," like a sample
Repeat it very quickly in a crew for example
Overseer
Overseer
Overseer
Overseer
Officer, Officer, Officer, Officer!
Yeah, officer from overseer
You need a little clarity?
Check the similarity!
The overseer rode around the plantation
The officer is off patroling all the nation
The overseer could stop you what you're doing
The officer will pull you over just when he's pursuing
The overseer had the right to get ill
And if you fought back, the overseer had the right to kill
The officer has the right to arrest
And if you fight back they put a hole in your chest!
(Woop!) They both ride horses
After 400 years, I've _got_ no choices!
The police them have a little gun
So when I'm on the streets, I walk around with a bigger one
(Woop-woop!) I hear it all day
Just so they can run the light and be upon their way

I think that the battle between LL and KRS is something of a divide between ages but maybe more so between what elements are important in hip-hop. Is it better to stick to the core tenets laid down by the originators and pioneers. If you believe that then you tend to lean towards KRS. If you believe in the ability to adapt and change with the times, maybe a little more of a bombastic style maybe you prefer LL.

But either way, KRS if anything was an underrated lyricist. He may not stun you with jaw gymnastics or write using slant rhymes or multis (he can and has but it's not a hallmark of his style), but KRS is a stubborn old goat and you need that in the hip-hop game. When the music is getting softer and the pants are getting tighter. When hip-hop is becoming more rock influenced than soul influenced, when the music is more commercial then it's ever been, we need someone who sticks to the old ways, stayed disciplined and still gives lessons to the youth and KRS has been doing this for almost 30 years now. He can sometimes be preachy, I'll admit that though.

I guess I'm saying my piece for KRS-One, but LL is only a couple of spots down though. Both are Gawd MC's though.

I love KRS-One and his BDP and Solo catalogue are stong, even a lot of his recent sh1t is solid to near classic