LMAO Shea Davis on Divorce Court

[panopticon]

Tone talked about this on a podcast a while back...not this specific situation, but the concept of "toxic ambition."

Focused more on the women's side of it, but everything he mentioned is applicable to this dude.

He's completely consumed by toxic ambition. It's deeper than just straight up immaturity - it's a real self-esteem / self-worth problem.

Shyt is sad to see. 41, married to a beautiful woman with 4 healthy kids who all want to go to college and still doesn't think it's good enough. That's what's driving him to make stupid decisions (like putting $6,000 down on a Corvette rather than building up college savings and paying for the groceries).

When he said "I'm focused on making a million dollars"...that was the giveaway.

 

[jaguar paw]

Short-sighted, delusional, and certified fukking clown.

 

[tuckgod]

nikkas is weirdos on this site bro. nikka is literally mad cause ur daughter has her shyt together. Lol

shyt crazy

 

[panopticon]

that's like studying what teams or coaches or systems you wanna play for in the league, what plays you like running, what shoe deal you want, etc instead of trying to run shyt in your age bracket

all that striving and planning 20 years ahead shyt is pointless when greater talent crushes people who have it all figured out but can't execute

your kid's still young enough to be developing analytical skills that are transferable to anything (analogous to having hops or upper body strength etc. continuing the sports metaphor)
but you're indulging premature study of a very specific, narrow field of medicine (at a kid's level of depth at that, which is useless) that may or may not be the kid's ultimate goal or what s/he is ultimately capable of doing

i'm taking the kid with handles and a jumper (rocks shyt in his math/science classes now) over some kid on the bench talmbout he knows the pro game (watches medical shows and thinks that's something)

aite peanut gallery

@tuckdog never forced his daughter to study anything...for whatever reason she got interested in cardiothoracic surgery (). Kids get their interest piqued in different things for the most random reasons, that's normal.

There's nothing wrong with indulging that interest...there's kids who get interested in rocketry or following the stock market or solar energy or carpentry or dinosaurs...indulging that kids' interest in no way means that developing their overall analytical abilities is neglected.

If anything, it's a plus. When his daughter takes biology and chemistry, she'll learn the theoretical underpinnings directly applicable to her particular interest. Just like when a kid obsessed with solar energy takes physics, he'll learn all about the interaction between photons and electrons and how that interaction is harnessed to generate usable electricity. The existence of those interests means that they're going to be more deeply invested in understanding these things.

 

[tuckgod]

@tuckdog never forced his daughter to study anything...for whatever reason she got interested in cardiothoracic surgery (). Kids get their interest piqued in different things for the most random reasons, that's normal.

There's nothing wrong with indulging that interest...there's kids who get interested in rocketry or following the stock market or solar energy or carpentry or dinosaurs...indulging that kids' interest in no way means that developing their overall analytical abilities is neglected.

If anything, it's a plus. When his daughter takes biology and chemistry, she'll learn the theoretical underpinnings directly applicable to her particular interest. Just like when a kid obsessed with solar energy takes physics, he'll learn all about the interaction between photons and electrons and how that interaction is harnessed to generate usable electricity. The existence of those interests means that they're going to be more deeply invested in understanding these things.

repped

 

[Zach Lowe]

@tuckdog never forced his daughter to study anything...for whatever reason she got interested in cardiothoracic surgery (). Kids get their interest piqued in different things for the most random reasons, that's normal.

There's nothing wrong with indulging that interest...there's kids who get interested in rocketry or following the stock market or solar energy or carpentry or dinosaurs...indulging that kids' interest in no way means that developing their overall analytical abilities is neglected.

If anything, it's a plus. When his daughter takes biology and chemistry, she'll learn the theoretical underpinnings directly applicable to her particular interest. Just like when a kid obsessed with solar energy takes physics, he'll learn all about the interaction between photons and electrons and how that interaction is harnessed to generate usable electricity. The existence of those interests means that they're going to be more deeply invested in understanding these things.

i'm not saying he forced anything but parents obviously have an influence, his daughter could've mentioned it in passing one day in between possible options of being a princess or a dog walker and she noticed only the doctor part got a reaction

and yeah it's better than being obsessed with dolls or some shyt but to turn it into a brag for friends/family or worse, expectation for a child is toxic and unrealistic (dude talking about she's talking to colleges as a brag like they wouldn't indulge any and every 10 year old asking for info)

it's hard for me not to be on some tsk tsk shyt when it's so clear that it's a naive goal motivated by money
thinking about a residency already is a red flag that means the girl got on some list of high paying specialities and picked it

the only early childhood career ambitions I would take seriously are ones driven by pure knowledge (mathematician, scientist, etc.) or doing social good (idk like an activitist or social worker) if you come at me with doctor, hedge fund manager you're obviously making some kind of necessary choice out of practical concerns, people like that slide down to med tech and accountant all day long because they get no intrinsic benefit from studying in college, you'd have to rely on pure psychopathic work ethic with no burnout tendencies in that case which is rare

 

[panopticon]

i'm not saying he forced anything but parents obviously have an influence, his daughter could've mentioned it in passing one day in between possible options of being a princess or a dog walker and she noticed only the doctor part got a reaction

and yeah it's better than being obsessed with dolls or some shyt but to turn it into a brag for friends/family or worse, expectation for a child is toxic and unrealistic (dude talking about she's talking to colleges as a brag like they wouldn't indulge any and every 10 year old asking for info)

it's hard for me not to be on some tsk tsk shyt when it's so clear that it's a naive goal motivated by money
thinking about a residency already is a red flag that means the girl got on some list of high paying specialities and picked it

the only early childhood career ambitions I would take seriously are ones driven by pure knowledge (mathematician, scientist, etc.) or doing social good (idk like an activitist or social worker) if you come at me with doctor, hedge fund manager you're obviously making some kind of necessary choice out of practical concerns, people like that slide down to med tech and accountant all day long because they get no intrinsic benefit from studying in college, you'd have to rely on pure psychopathic work ethic with no burnout tendencies in that case which is rare

Point by point:

1) It's equally plausible that she saw an episode of some random medical drama and was fascinated with what went on...much in the same way a kid watching a random Youtube video of a Saturn V rocket taking off hits the ...and yeah, of course "doctor" would probably get more of a reaction than "princess" or "dog walker" as a future occupation...but is there a parent on earth that wouldn't react positively to that? I don't even know if that's something the vast majority of parents on this planet would be able to not react to positively.

2) I don't get the sense that he's bragging - more just explaining the level of genuine interest that his daughter has in cardiothoracic surgery. I put myself in his shoes - if I had a kid who had that interest and they were up at night googling shyt (remember, kids have a lot more access to information now than we did when we were kids) and told me they wanted to visit Johns Hopkins because they have the best program...how am I not taking my kid up there for a visit? Kids obsessed with space drag their whole damn families down to Houston to see mission control all the time...

3) If his daughter is serious about all this (which it sounds like she is), why would thinking about residency be a red flag? If you google "cardiothoracic surgeon" this is the first result:

What Is a Cardiothoracic Surgeon?

And here's the first text you see on that page:

"Cardiothoracic surgeons will graduate from medical school and go on to complete either a 5-year general surgery residency followed by a 2- or 3-year cardiothoracic surgery residency program, or enter into a 6-year integrated cardiothoracic surgery residency.

Some cardiothoracic surgeons choose to do additional training in a subspecialized area but this training is optional with the exception of congenital heart surgery, which requires completion of a 1-year fellowship."

As far as it being a naive goal motivated by money...how do we know that? Couldn't the same sort of thing be said about a kid obsessed with writing software? We don't dismiss kids with that interest as naive wannabe Zuckerbergs, do we?

4) You're going to need to unpack this a little more. Doesn't a kid who wants to be a hedge fund manager need to understand Black-Scholes? Stochastic calculus? Accounting? How would they get into that career without that knowledge? And why would it require "psychopathic work ethic with no burnout tendencies" to learn these things (assuming they've got the requisite intelligence to do so in the first place)?

Edit:

One more thing on #4 - is it so awful if people "slide back to" med tech or accountant from their original interest in being a doctor or a hedge fund manager? Isn't that what happens to the vast majority of people on this planet? Kid wants to be a musician, his band doesn't make it, ends up being a sound engineer or producer...wants to be an astronaut but couldn't couldn't hack college physics...ends up a salesman at Raytheon...wants to be a fighter pilot but didn't make the cut and flies cargo planes...leaves after his enlistment is up and heads over to Emirates to fly commercial...and so on and so forth.

I just think that's pretty normal and there's nothing wrong with it...

 

[Redwing80]

This freestyle is what put him on the map.


Real talk. Cory Gunz at 16 was nicer than every single one of these new up and coming young rap nikkas. Even the ones who got some skills.

Straight facts and Cory wasn't bad at making a song either. It's a shame he decided to fall back he was on the same level as Meek and Wale when he signed to Young Money years ago

 

[Zach Lowe]

Point by point:

1) It's equally plausible that she saw an episode of some random medical drama and was fascinated with what went on...much in the same way a kid watching a random Youtube video of a Saturn V rocket taking off hits the ...and yeah, of course "doctor" would probably get more of a reaction than "princess" or "dog walker" as a future occupation...but is there a parent on earth that wouldn't react positively to that? I don't even know if that's something the vast majority of parents on this planet would be able to not react to positively.

2) I don't get the sense that he's bragging - more just explaining the level of genuine interest that his daughter has in cardiothoracic surgery. I put myself in his shoes - if I had a kid who had that interest and they were up at night googling shyt (remember, kids have a lot more access to information now than we did when we were kids) and told me they wanted to visit Johns Hopkins because they have the best program...how am I not taking my kid up there for a visit? Kids obsessed with space drag their whole damn families down to Houston to see mission control all the time...

3) If his daughter is serious about all this (which it sounds like she is), why would thinking about residency be a red flag? If you google "cardiothoracic surgeon" this is the first result:

What Is a Cardiothoracic Surgeon?

And here's the first text you see on that page:

"Cardiothoracic surgeons will graduate from medical school and go on to complete either a 5-year general surgery residency followed by a 2- or 3-year cardiothoracic surgery residency program, or enter into a 6-year integrated cardiothoracic surgery residency.

Some cardiothoracic surgeons choose to do additional training in a subspecialized area but this training is optional with the exception of congenital heart surgery, which requires completion of a 1-year fellowship."

As far as it being a naive goal motivated by money...how do we know that? Couldn't the same sort of thing be said about a kid obsessed with writing software? We don't dismiss kids with that interest as naive wannabe Zuckerbergs, do we?

4) You're going to need to unpack this a little more. Doesn't a kid who wants to be a hedge fund manager need to understand Black-Scholes? Stochastic calculus? Accounting? How would they get into that career without that knowledge? And why would it require "psychopathic work ethic with no burnout tendencies" to learn these things (assuming they've got the requisite intelligence to do so in the first place)?

Edit:

One more thing on #4 - is it so awful if people "slide back to" med tech or accountant from their original interest in being a doctor or a hedge fund manager? Isn't that what happens to the vast majority of people on this planet? Kid wants to be a musician, his band doesn't make it, ends up being a sound engineer or producer...wants to be an astronaut but couldn't couldn't hack college physics...ends up a salesman at Raytheon or ...wants to be a fighter pilot but didn't make the cut...ends up an aeronautical engineer...and so on and so forth.

I just think that's pretty normal and there's nothing wrong with it...

Kids are dumb and don't know the realities of careers, even if you told them they wouldn't know. you're way on the extreme end of naivety thinking some kid with plans of being a heart surgeon is serious. do you think some 10 year old has some nuanced understanding of all medical fields and came to an educated conclusion or did he or she just read a list of salaries and picked what's at the top? I'm literally just restating my last post here. doctor, lawyer, banker, etc. these are all high paying careers for mostly passionless people. I would be wary of 17 year olds feigning interest in these fields (or maybe they're not faking but at least self-deluding) and you're cosigning a 10 year old?

It's sad as hell these days you see teens from bumfukk Kansas who just got into Harvard posting on reddit asking how they should best prepare to work at Goldman Sachs after graduating. it's not sad to you that smart kids from all backgrounds join the herd mentality of gunning for {Wall Street, Google, med school}? and you'd take it further and encourage 10 year olds to join in? these "high work ethic but zero substantial goals and interests" kids who let the internet decide their lives have wildly varying outcomes, some just burn out entirely which almost never happens to kids who really love physics or something, they always land near the top. my money's on the math geek every single time not the striver kid with plans

software you can at least do yourself in your room and see if you're really interested, you can't test your stomach for surgery until you cut people open, you can read books all day then find out that shyt's not your style, then what?

all that early tracking stuff is passe as fukk now. well off / educated families would much rather see their kids take a deep interest in math or literature than steer them early towards careers and count chickens before they hatch.

yeah ofc people don't achieve their wildest dreams, that's why you should focus on what's in front of you. Is that controversial to you that being the very best at where you're at right now is a worthier goal than dreaming about your 2nd contract in the NBA when you'll team up with Giannis or something? you're not even making substantial points against mine you're just saying ok but you can't downplay kids' dreams. do whatever you want for whoever you care about, what difference does my opinion make?

 

[TrifeGod]

Shea Davis is the GOAT

 

[spliz]

Straight facts and Cory wasn't bad at making a song either. It's a shame he decided to fall back he was on the same level as Meek and Wale when he signed to Young Money years ago

Real talk the kid was like a child prodigy with how gifted he was at rapping at his age. He just made all the wrong career moves.

 

[FreshAIG]

I remember when Cory Gunz, Loaded Lux, Rain910 were in a group together called the Militia. Shame none of them got to the next level because they're all super talented. At least Rain got some kinda deal with MGM probably to write and make beats.

Real talk the kid was like a child prodigy with how gifted he was at rapping at his age. He just made all the wrong career moves.

 

[Jimmy Two-Times™]

 

[wizworld]

Real talk the kid was like a child prodigy with how gifted he was at rapping at his age. He just made all the wrong career moves.

Corey has some type of anxiety or psychological issue, he's really talented but he's doesn't seem to be cut out for the music business.

 

[360dagod]

Corey has some type of anxiety or psychological issue, he's really talented but he's doesn't seem to be cut out for the music business.

I thought the def jam deal would put the bronx on top