LOL At Ben Carson and Stacey Dash Hosting A "Black Leadership" Conference

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LBJ was a Dem though

Yes. But he was super racist also

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Ah, on the coli liberals are actually right wingers and five percenters are leftists

No, liberals are right wingers to virtually ALL actual leftists.

Do you know any Communists? Socialists?

Just say no and move on. Any of them would slap you if you called Hillary and them one in the same.

So CNN should be sued for associating the left with democrats here?

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/06/27/opinions/democrats-should-not-tack-left-cunningham/index.html

This is easily one of the most bizarre exchanges I’ve had on this forum - somehow magically being “left” has nothing to do with democrats or liberalism

And why are you all not answering my question? Do “Leftists” vote democrat or not? I’ve literally asked that 4 times now and no answer

Dummy, CNN can't be sued because people can call themselves what they want.

I can call myself a muslim, but I've never been to a mosque or read the Quran. Whos gonna sue me?

And no, lots of leftists don't vote for Democrats.

They vote Green Party or don't vote at all

Like dude, are you like a 1st year college student or something?

Nah, you all are trying to derail the discussion to not address the fact that THE LEFT LEANING DEMOCRATIC PARTY hasn’t done anything for our communities since the 60’s and have turned our communities into voting plantations

That's because the Democratic Party isn't LEFT-LEANING

They are CAPITALISTS

They are funded by WALL STREET, OIL COMPANIES, and INSURANCE COMPANIES

They supported the military complex

They destroyed Welfare with Welfare reform

They deregulated Wall-Street.

They expanded the prison population with the Clinton Crime Bill

The last 2 Democratic presidential nominees OPPOSED Universal Health Care for fukks sake

NONE of those things are remotely socialistic, communistic, or left-wing in thought

This applies to THE Atlantic and CNN too? Just a yes or no please.

Yes, I can't believe a nikka like you actually believes what he sees in corporately owned media.

Like seriously?

You genuinely look to mainstream outlets like CNN, and The Atlantic to give you actual political orthodoxy?

Like seriously, read Truthdig and Counterpunch and you'll be aiight.

Just take this L and peace be with you.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

^^^ it’s hilarious that you DON’T think you sound crazy

This will be my last time even speaking on this bizarre nonsense, and also why all of you sound crazy:

Modern liberalism in the United States - Wikipedia

Starting in the twentieth century, there has been a sharp division between liberals, who tend to live in denser, more heterogeneous communities, and conservatives, who tend to live in less dense, more homogeneous communities. Liberals as a group are referred to as the Left and conservatives the Right. The Democratic Party is considered liberal, and the Republican Party is considered conservative

^^^ and this is how it's been my entire got damned muthafukkin life. I've heard politicians refer to liberalism and the democratic party, college students, professors, activists - again, my whole life

and you weirdos have too...but this really isn't the issue, this entire discussion turned when you potato sack wearing bare-foot tapdancing circus c00ns were pressed on the fact that LIBERALS/LEFT/DEMOCRATS own your asses - you can't deny that, so you try to shift the argument.


because the truth is that no matter how many times you call black republicans c00ns/toms and pan africanists dusty hoteps, you sharecroppers stay voting for your SAME conditions, and twerking and bouncing to music and a culture that promotes you to kill yourself with drugs and criminal behavior because massa told you it's cool

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

^^^ it’s hilarious that you DON’T think you sound crazy

This will be my last time even speaking on this bizarre nonsense, and also why all of you sound crazy:

Modern liberalism in the United States - Wikipedia

Starting in the twentieth century, there has been a sharp division between liberals, who tend to live in denser, more heterogeneous communities, and conservatives, who tend to live in less dense, more homogeneous communities. Liberals as a group are referred to as the Left and conservatives the Right. The Democratic Party is considered liberal, and the Republican Party is considered conservative

^^^ and this is how it's been my entire got damned muthafukkin life. I've heard politicians refer to liberalism and the democratic party, college students, professors, activists - again, my whole life

and you weirdos have too...but this really isn't the issue, this entire discussion turned when you potato sack wearing bare-foot tapdancing circus c00ns were pressed on the fact that LIBERALS/LEFT/DEMOCRATS own your asses - you can't deny that, so you try to shift the argument.


because the truth is that no matter how many times you call black republicans c00ns/toms and pan africanists dusty hoteps, you sharecroppers stay voting for your SAME conditions, and twerking and bouncing to music and a culture that promotes you to kill yourself with drugs and criminal behavior because massa told you it's cool

Oh yeah, a Wikipedia argument sure negates what I just wrote, dumbass.

I just want to be a fly on the wall when your stupid ass meets a legitimate political theorist, and not somebody who's a part of the corporate mainstream media or fukkin' Wikipedia, which is written by random members of the fukkin' public.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

@Lord_Chief_Rocka @The Amerikkkan Idol ya'll wasting your time arguing with @Booker T Garvey

fam isn't and doesn't argue in good faith, and he a bytch ass nikka.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Direct quote from michael moore in an interview that dropped yesterday:

Michael Moore Blames Democrats for Not Abolishing Electoral College in 2000

“The left, the Democrats, the liberals after Gore was denied the White House
should have fought to remove that clause of the Constitution that allows the loser to sit in the White House"

I guess michael moore is a rank amateur to be scoffed at now huh...

I bet some of you sound like mush mouthed fumbling buffoons talking about politics in real life

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Direct quote from michael moore in an interview that dropped yesterday:

Michael Moore Blames Democrats for Not Abolishing Electoral College in 2000

“The left, the Democrats, the liberals after Gore was denied the White House
should have fought to remove that clause of the Constitution that allows the loser to sit in the White House"

I guess michael moore is a rank amateur to be scoffed at now huh...

I bet some of you sound like mush mouthed fumbling buffoons talking about politics in real life

Dude, Michael Moore isn't a political theorist.

He's a Hollywood liberal movie director.

The fact that you think Michael Moore is some sort of authority on politics means that you know ZERO about politics or political thought.

Dude, here's 2 articles written by respected political writers. One liberal and one conservative.

The Crucial Difference Between Liberals and Leftists
By Joe Klein


In his recent account of a breakfast book party at the home of Tina Brown and Harry Evans, Eric Alterman misquoted me slightly but significantly. What I actually said was “the hate America tendency of the [Democratic Party’s] left wing” had made it harder for Democrats to challenge Republicans on foreign policy. Alterman had me castigating the “liberal wing” of the party, which I was careful not to do. There is a crucial difference between liberals and leftists, especially on foreign policy—even though Republicans (and leftist-wingers) have successfully conflated the two over the past few decades. The default position of leftists like, say, Michael Moore and many writers at The Nation, is that America is essentially a malignant, imperialistic force in the world and the use of American military power is almost always wrong. Liberals have a more benign, and correct, view of America’s role in the world and tend to favor the use of military force if it is exercised judiciously, as a last resort, and in a multilateral contect—with U.N. approval or through NATO. The first Gulf War, the overthrow of the Taliban and the Kosovo intervention met these criteria; Bush’s Iraq invasion clearly did not. That was the point I was trying to make at breakfast.

Leftism Is Not Liberalism



What is the difference between a leftist and a liberal?

Answering this question is vital to understanding the crisis facing America and the West today. Yet few seem able to do it. I offer the following as a guide.

Here’s the first thing to know: The two have almost nothing in common.

On the contrary, liberalism has far more in common with conservatism than it does with leftism. The left has appropriated the word “liberal” so effectively that almost everyone — liberals, leftists and conservatives — thinks they are synonymous.

But they aren’t. Let’s look at some important examples.

Race: This is perhaps the most obvious of the many moral differences between liberalism and leftism. The essence of the liberal position on race was that the color of one’s skin is insignificant. To liberals of a generation ago, only racists believed that race is intrinsically significant. However, to the left, the notion that race is insignificant is itself racist. Thus, the University of California officially regards the statement “There is only one race, the human race” as racist. For that reason, liberals were passionately committed to racial integration. Liberals should be sickened by the existence of black dormitories and separate black graduations on university campuses.

Capitalism: Liberals have always been pro capitalism, recognizing it for what it is: the only economic means of lifting great numbers out of poverty. Liberals did often view government as able to play a bigger role in lifting people out of poverty than conservatives, but they were never opposed to capitalism, and they were never for socialism. Opposition to capitalism and advocacy of socialism are leftist values.

Nationalism: Liberals deeply believed in the nation-state, whether their nation was the United States, Great Britain or France. The left has always opposed nationalism because leftism is rooted in class solidarity, not national solidarity. The left has contempt for nationalism, seeing in it intellectual and moral primitivism at best, and the road to fascism at worst. Liberals always wanted to protect American sovereignty and borders. The notion of open borders would have struck a liberal as just as objectionable as it does a conservative. It is emblematic of our time that the left-wing writers of Superman comics had Superman announce a few years ago, “I intend to speak before the United Nations tomorrow and inform them that I am renouncing my American citizenship.” When the writers of Superman were liberal, Superman was not only an American but one who fought for “Truth, justice, and the American way.” But in his announcement, he explained that motto is “not enough anymore.”

View of America: Liberals venerated America. Watch American films from the 1930s through the 1950s and you will be watching overtly patriotic, America-celebrating films — virtually all produced, directed and acted in by liberals. Liberals well understand that America is imperfect, but they agree with a liberal icon named Abraham Lincoln that America is “the last best hope of earth.”

To the left, America is essentially a racist, sexist, violent, homophobic, xenophobic and Islamophobic country. The left around the world loathe America, and it is hard to imagine why the American left would differ in this one way from fellow leftists around the world. Leftists often take offense at having their love of America doubted. But those left-wing descriptions of America are not the only reason to assume that the left has more contempt than love for America. The left’s view of America was encapsulated in then-presidential candidate Barack Obama’s statement in 2008. “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America,” he said.

Now, if you were to meet a man who said that he wanted to fundamentally transform his wife, or a woman who said that about her husband, would you assume that either loved their spouse? Of course not.

Free speech: The difference between the left and liberals regarding free speech is as dramatic as the difference regarding race. No one was more committed than American liberals to the famous statement “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

Liberals still are. But the left is leading the first nationwide suppression of free speech in American history — from the universities to Google to almost every other institution and place of work. It claims to only oppose hate speech. But protecting the right of person A to say what person B deems objectionable is the entire point of free speech.

Western civilization: Liberals have a deep love of Western civilization. They taught it at virtually every university and celebrated its unique moral, ethical, philosophical, artistic, musical and literary achievements. No liberal would have joined the leftist Rev. Jesse Jackson in chanting at Stanford University: “Hey, hey. Ho, ho. Western civ has got to go.” The most revered liberal in American history is probably former President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who frequently cited the need to protect not just Western civilization but Christian civilization. Yet leftists unanimously denounced President Donald Trump for his speech in Warsaw, Poland, in which he spoke of protecting Western civilization. They argued not only that Western civilization is not superior to any other civilization but also that it is no more than a euphemism for white supremacy.

Judaism and Christianity: Liberals knew and appreciated the Judeo-Christian roots of American civilization. They themselves went to church or synagogue, or at the very least appreciated that most of their fellow Americans did. The contempt that the left has — and has always had — for religion (except for Islam today) is not something with which a liberal would ever have identified.

If the left is not defeated, American and Western civilization will not survive. But the left will not be defeated until good liberals understand this and join the fight. Dear liberals: Conservatives are not your enemy. The left is.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Dude, Michael Moore isn't a political theorist.

He's a Holly.

let me just stop you right there...my point was that the three terms are used together to mean the same thing ALL THE TIME.

I'll say it again: you all argued that my usage of all three together was something rare, foreign, shocking, new

then THE MOST FAMOUS LIBERAL IN AMERICA used it literally just a few days after our discussion in a national interview.

Also trying to reduce michael moore to just "a hollywood liberal director" is some straight bullshyt and you know it

Fahrenheit 9/11 changed the way we discuss politics in this country forever, he was also given the most coveted seat at the DNC in 2004 b/c of that movie

let's not attempt to alter the universe so we can win arguments on sports forums fam, pretty sure that's not why God put you here

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

let me just stop you right there...my point was that the three terms are used together to mean the same thing ALL THE TIME.

I'll say it again: you all argued that my usage of all three together was something rare, foreign, shocking, new

then THE MOST FAMOUS LIBERAL IN AMERICA used it literally just a few days after our discussion in a national interview.

Also trying to reduce michael moore to just "a hollywood liberal director" is some straight bullshyt and you know it

Fahrenheit 9/11 changed the way we discuss politics in this country forever, he was also given the most coveted seat at the DNC in 2004 b/c of that movie

let's not attempt to alter the universe so we can win arguments on sports forums fam, pretty sure that's not why God put you here

Dummy, I never said they're not used interchangably by stupid people, but that is the people who use them interchangably.

People also use Muslim and Arab interchangably, but anybody who does an ounce of research sees that there are Muslims who are Black, White, Latino, and Asian, and that plenty of Arabs are Christians, Muslims, and everything else.

That's my point.

Michael Moore is an ignorant fukk.

Most people are ignorant fukks.

Don't be an ignorant fukk just because you see a large percentage of people being ignorant fukks.

Learn who socialists, communists, anarchists and other left-wingers are and you won't compare them to liberals like the Clintons & Obama.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Dummy, I never said they're not used interchangably by stupid people, but that is the people who use them interchangably.

People also use Muslim and Arab interchangably, but anybody who does an ounce of research sees that there are Muslims who are Black, White, Latino, and Asian, and that plenty of Arabs are Christians, Muslims, and everything else.

That's my point.

Michael Moore is an ignorant fukk.

Most people are ignorant fukks.

Don't be an ignorant fukk just because you see a large percentage of people being ignorant fukks.

Learn who socialists, communists, anarchists and other left-wingers are and you won't compare them to liberals like the Clintons & Obama.

well first off it's interchangeably since we're calling people dummy and stupid in the same sentence to open our arguments

but we're having two completely different discussions, my point is that it's a common phraseology, the average person sees the left, democrats, and liberals as one in the same

you sitting over there basking in your smugness that even the most renowned and highly respected liberals who use this phraseology are "stupid!" or whatever is irrelevant to my point

but get your last word in man this is a ridiculous back and forth that went on far too long

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

but we're having two completely different discussions, my point is that it's a common phraseology, the average person sees the left, democrats, and liberals as one in the same

you sitting over there basking in your smugness that even the most renowned and highly respected liberals who use this phraseology are "stupid!" or whatever is irrelevant to my point

Yes, I agree WRONG people use left, liberal, and democrat interchangeably (thx grammar police), but doesn't make it right.

And you didn't post any "renowned and respected" people.

You posted Michael Moore, who's considered a partisan hack. He's a propagandist for the Democratic party, not a scholar

He's not Noam Chomsky, Ralph Nader, Chris Hedges, Cornel West, or even Bernie Sanders, who for many years did not call himself a Democrat, but a Democratic socialist, because he wasn't considered a real "liberal". That's why many Democrats STILL don't fukk with Bernie.

To get back to the original point.

the "left" never failed Black people because "left" politics haven't been implemented, just "liberal" right-wing policies implemented by "liberals" like Bill Clinton & Barack Obama, who both looked up to Ronald Reagan, FFS

 

[Danie84]

Ever since Stacey came out as a Staunch RepubiCaC, her beaty dissolved like milk