London(No guns) has 10 million people and had 109 homicides last year

[MischievousMonkey]

So many examples of "fukk you and your data" in this thread

 

[African Peasant]

Let's be clear, USA has 170x as many guns as Switzerland has. Even going per-person, they have about 5x as many guns per person that Switzerland does.

On top of that, they have far stricter rules about who can buy guns, registering the sale or theft of guns, who can buy ammo and how they are registered, and who can carry guns in public.

You don't understand that being loaded up with ammo easily for any gun you want, versus having a bolt-action rifle or an unloaded service weapon that you have to apply for permission to get ammo, are vastly different situations?

If you don't, you're just trolling.





Poverty in the USA is FAR higher than poverty in Switzerland, and literally every social problem associated with poverty (residential segregation, low quality schools, poor mental health care, discriminatory policing, discriminatory justice system) is an order of magnitude worse here than it is there.

Are you seriously unaware of that, or is this just a troll attempt to try to derail the thread?

OP was the one trolling with his London argument. I never claimed that Switzerland has the same amount of guns than the US. OP was implying that the low level of crimes in London was the result of the absence of guns in the citizenry . Switzerland shows that it's false. In Switzerland, they have guns, but they also can buy guns and buy ammo. It does not stop Switzerland to have way less gun related crimes that the UK, France or Germany, despite people having way more guns in Switzerland.

Switzerland being richer (per capita) than the US does not make the US a poor country. Calling the US a poor country is trolling. Of course there is more poverty in the US than in Switzerland, but it does not make it a poor country.

 

[jj23]

nikka deflecting like London don’t got a whole ass drill scene

And they still have a low ass murder rate

There are levels breh.

I live in London. The murder rate is low for you, not for us living here, believe it or not.

 

[jj23]

How are you gonna shoot people with nearly one million cameras pointed at every square inch of London?

Breh, that's what masks are for. The youth don't care.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

OP was the one trolling with his London argument. I never claimed that Switzerland has the same amount of guns than the US. OP was implying that the low level of crimes in London was the result of the absence of guns in the citizenry . Switzerland shows that it's false.

Breh, that logically ridiculous. It's not how comparisons work at all.

London has a ton of crime. It just doesn't have much deadly crime. That's because of the lack of guns. Turning around and comparing it to a completely different country, one whose population, wealth, and city setup is noting like London, and claiming a bunch of unloaded service rifles in Switzerland prove that guns don't make crime more deadly is ridiculous.

Imagine a conversation like this:

Person A: "Why did Covid hit Black Americans far worse than White Americans."

Person B: "Higher poverty rates have contributed to a cycle which has led to poorer health status in the Black American community, plus access to quality health care is also worse."

Person A: "Shut up idiot! Gambians are far poorer than Black Americans, have poorer health status, and they don't have good health care access, but their Covid death rates were lower than America. This proves that poverty, health status, and health care have nothing to do with Covid deaths!"


That's how off-base your argument is right now. Cherry-picking a single factor from two disparate nations without any other contributing evidence is a useless anecdote.

In Switzerland, they have guns, but they also can buy guns and buy ammo.

You have to apply for a license to buy a gun, it's only valid for nine months, and the background check is far more comprehensive than what is required in America. Every sale of a gun is registered, unlike America, and every theft must be reported, which makes it far more difficult for guns to enter the black market. You can't buy ammo unless you have a gun license either, plus you must supply a criminal background check less than three months old when you purchase. You can't carry a gun in public unless you apply for a permit far stricter than in America. And, as I pointed out, per person there are only 1/5 as many guns in Switzerland as in the USA and most are hunting rifles or unloaded service weapons.

And all of that on top of the fact that Switzerland doesn't have nearly the poverty, inequalities, or crime rates that America (or London) does.

There's just no comparison. It was ridiculous to bring it up.

Switzerland being richer (per capita) than the US does not make the US a poor country. Calling the US a poor country is trolling.

I guess you must be trolling then, because the only person in this conversation who used the phrase "poor country" is you. Stop being disingenuous.

Switzerland is rich and has far less poverty than the USA. Me affirming those obvious truths does not mean I'm saying that the USA is a "poor country".

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The vast majority of Americans don’t want more gun regulations. A lot of guys oh the left are outta touch with reality of this country

66% of Americans support stricter gun laws, up 14 points since October

Public Pressure for Gun Legislation Up After Shootings

Americans' support for stricter gun laws has risen sharply in the wake of last month's high-profile mass shootings.

news.gallup.com

And that's just using the word "stricter". When it comes to actual policies, the numbers are even more extreme:

* 81% of Americans think private gun sales and gun show sales should be subject to background checks. That's a stricter law than today.

* 66% of Americans think there should be a federal government database to track all gun sales. That's a stricter law than today.

* 64% of Americans think high capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds should be banned. That's a stricter law than today.

* 63% of Americans think assault-style weapons should be banned. That's a stricter law than today.

Key facts about Americans and guns

About six-in-ten U.S. adults (58%) favor stricter gun laws. Another 26% say that U.S. gun laws are about right, while 15% favor less strict gun laws.

www.pewresearch.org

Who is out of touch now?

 

[Will Ross]

66% of Americans support stricter gun laws, up 14 points since October

Public Pressure for Gun Legislation Up After Shootings

Americans' support for stricter gun laws has risen sharply in the wake of last month's high-profile mass shootings.

news.gallup.com

And that's just using the word "stricter". When it comes to actual policies, the numbers are even more extreme:

* 81% of Americans think private gun sales and gun show sales should be subject to background checks. That's a stricter law than today.

* 66% of Americans think there should be a federal government database to track all gun sales. That's a stricter law than today.

* 64% of Americans think high capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds should be banned. That's a stricter law than today.

* 63% of Americans think assault-style weapons should be banned. That's a stricter law than today.

Key facts about Americans and guns

About six-in-ten U.S. adults (58%) favor stricter gun laws. Another 26% say that U.S. gun laws are about right, while 15% favor less strict gun laws.

www.pewresearch.org

Who is out of touch now?

Like I said you guys are outta touch.
It's a reason why states like TX and FL are making it easier

 

[BobbyBooshay]

Waiting for the influx of British brehs bragging about knife crime.

Nothing to brag about, lately some of the victims have been so young. It's been sickening. Waste of life on both sides.

Yesterday a kid was sentenced to life (20 years) for stabbing a kid of 14. Senseless

 

[BobbyBooshay]

"It's not guns, it's people"
Comments are mad, actually stunned at them

 

[Pegasus Jackson]

Nothing to brag about, lately some of the victims have been so young. It's been sickening. Waste of life on both sides.

Yesterday a kid was sentenced to life (20 years) for stabbing a kid of 14. Senseless

Humble brag bruv.

 

[EA]

Nothing to brag about, lately some of the victims have been so young. It's been sickening. Waste of life on both sides.

Yesterday a kid was sentenced to life (20 years) for stabbing a kid of 14. Senseless

My girl is an assistant headteacher that has to deal with safeguarding issues in her school. There are 11 year olds coming into school with knives to deal with other kids they have a problem with

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

I believe they live under the tyranny of an all powerful totalitarian monarchy. That’s what happens when you don’t have a second amendment and guns to fight back….

King Charles snatching men and women from their beds under the cover of darkness and throwing them in the palace dungeons

 

[African Peasant]

Breh, that logically ridiculous. It's not how comparisons work at all.

London has a ton of crime. It just doesn't have much deadly crime. That's because of the lack of guns. Turning around and comparing it to a completely different country, one whose population, wealth, and city setup is noting like London, and claiming a bunch of unloaded service rifles in Switzerland prove that guns don't make crime more deadly is ridiculous.

Imagine a conversation like this:

Person A: "Why did Covid hit Black Americans far worse than White Americans."

Person B: "Higher poverty rates have contributed to a cycle which has led to poorer health status in the Black American community, plus access to quality health care is also worse."

Person A: "Shut up idiot! Gambians are far poorer than Black Americans, have poorer health status, and they don't have good health care access, but their Covid death rates were lower than America. This proves that poverty, health status, and health care have nothing to do with Covid deaths!"


That's how off-base your argument is right now. Cherry-picking a single factor from two disparate nations without any other contributing evidence is a useless anecdote.





You have to apply for a license to buy a gun, it's only valid for nine months, and the background check is far more comprehensive than what is required in America. Every sale of a gun is registered, unlike America, and every theft must be reported, which makes it far more difficult for guns to enter the black market. You can't buy ammo unless you have a gun license either, plus you must supply a criminal background check less than three months old when you purchase. You can't carry a gun in public unless you apply for a permit far stricter than in America. And, as I pointed out, per person there are only 1/5 as many guns in Switzerland as in the USA and most are hunting rifles or unloaded service weapons.

And all of that on top of the fact that Switzerland doesn't have nearly the poverty, inequalities, or crime rates that America (or London) does.

There's just no comparison. It was ridiculous to bring it up.





I guess you must be trolling then, because the only person in this conversation who used the phrase "poor country" is you. Stop being disingenuous.

Switzerland is rich and has far less poverty than the USA. Me affirming those obvious truths does not mean I'm saying that the USA is a "poor country".

OP is the one who made a comparison between US cities and London.

You should address you recrimination to him.

I just applied the same logic. If you wanna compare US cities to London to prove a point, then compare it also to Swizerland to prove the same point...


You're the one who said Switzerland is rich. I just reminded you that the US is also a rich country.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

What about Swizerland? They have guns. They the second or the third country after the US when it comes to people having guns.

Switzerland is pretty much homogeneous and semi wealthy.

 

[Jean toomer]

What about Swizerland? They have guns. They the second or the third country after the US when it comes to people having guns.

Military service is a requirement there so errybody has a tool there. Switzerland has some of the toughest background checks and you have to get tested yearly to keep your piece. The US is just a willfully irresponsible country when it comes to gun ownership.