Long Island Divided - Housing Discrimination

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None of this will come as a shock to anyone, but it's an interesting read.

Undercover investigation reveals evidence of unequal treatment by real estate agents

Here's a little excerpt:

Altogether, agents provided white testers an average of 50 percent more listings than they gave to black counterparts – 39 compared with 26.

There was no such gap in paired testing for other minorities. Agents gave both Hispanic and white paired testers an average of 42 listings. Asians received 18 compared with 22 given to paired white testers. The averages include cases in which agents provided no listings to one or the other customer.

In some cases, agents keyed on the racial, ethnic or religious makeup of communities when speaking with testers, in all but one sharing the information only with white customers.

Fair housing standards generally bar agents from talking about the backgrounds of people who live in neighborhoods as a form of verbal racial or ethnic steering. The standards also require agents to provide equal guidance to customers about areas in which they may want to live. Century 21 agent Raj Sanghvi, for example, warned a white tester about buying in Huntington, a mainstay of northern Suffolk County.

“But you don’t want to go there. It’s a mixed neighborhood,” Sanghvi said, adding, “You have white, you have black, you have Latinos, you have Indians, you have Chinese, you have Koreans; everything.”

Sanghvi made no similar remarks to an Asian tester and suggested no Huntington houses to either tester.

Speaking to a white tester about one overwhelmingly minority community, RE/MAX agent Joy Tuxson promised, “I’m not going to send you anything in Wyandanch unless you don’t want to start your car to buy your crack, unless you just want to walk up the street.”

Talking to an Asian tester about another largely minority area, Tuxson said she had told a family member, “Do you really want your future children going to Amityville School Districts?”

Sanghvi and Tuxson did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

To capture broad swaths of Long Island, Newsday divided most of Nassau and much of Suffolk into 10 zones that included housing markets with affordable homes as well as million-dollar mansions and places where large groups of minorities live closely to white populations. The zones ranged from western Nassau to the Hamptons.

Newsday conducted tests in each zone and plotted the housing choices made by agents in each area, often revealing the communities they favored for buyers of varied backgrounds.

Cumulatively, the 10 zones encompassed 83 percent of Long Island’s population, including 80 percent of the white population and 88 percent of the minority population.

Overall, the agents gave black customers their smallest share of listings in towns with the highest proportions of white residents and their biggest share where whites were less prevalent.

Where whites composed 20 percent or less of the population, agents provided seven out of 10 listings to minorities. Only when whites hit 56 percent of the population did agents give most of the listings in a community, 63 percent, to whites.

Agents and brokers bear the responsibility for applying fair housing standards as they act as licensed gatekeepers to housing choices. Industry representatives have contended that proper training is the best way to ensure agents uphold fair housing laws, arguing against more aggressive enforcement through fines, license suspensions or revocations.

To assess the quality of training, Newsday attended six fair housing classes sponsored by the Long Island Board of Realtors. Experts who reviewed the instruction found that only one covered the material adequately and that others were “shockingly thin in content.”

After the testing was completed, Newsday revealed to testers for the first time how their counterparts had fared in visiting agents. The testers heard the comparisons sitting side by side – black beside white, Hispanic beside white, Asian beside white.

Often, they said the test results brought to light evidence of discrimination that had been hidden behind the smiles and handshakes offered by guides to housing in a suburb where the racial lines between many communities are starkly drawn.

Martine Hackett, who is black and a tenured professor of public health at Hofstra University, had met with seven agents and encountered evidence of disparate treatment three times. Her thoughts encapsulated the perspectives of many fellow testers.

“I would have no idea that, without this testing, that there was even a difference between what was provided. My assumption would be that everybody would be provided with the same listings based on their economic and geographic requirements,” Hackett said, adding:
 

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Not surprising. Real estate agents have always played a huge part in white flight and have influenced the racial make up of neighborhoods for their own profit.

And Long Island is one of the most segregated places in the country. There are still instances of hostility when black people move into certain areas.
 
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Not surprising. Real estate agents have always played a huge part in white flight and have influenced the racial make up of neighborhoods for their own profit.

And Long Island is one of the most segregated places in the country. There are still instances of hostility when black people move into certain areas.

I'm always curious what drives this.

Like if it was proven that their property values would go up 25% with more black people in the neighborhood, would that make them go :ohhh: or :demonic:?

Is it prejudice based out of some poorly conceived practicality or are they the type to kill themselves just to spite us? I'm guessing it's number #2 but. :yeshrug:
 

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Look up Massapequa, NY on Google Earth and Wikipedia. Zoom into waterfront areas and look at the homes with the beaches. pools, piers and boat launches. For about 3 minutes, I imagined living in one of those homes, then taking the Long Island train station, just 1 1/2 miles to the north, into NYC for work or play. .

Then I looked at the demographics...:mjgrin:

21,000 people
  • 97% White
  • 0.17% Black
  • 1.6% Asian/Pacific Islander
  • 2.5 Hispanic
  • .73 Mixed
I surmised to myself, if anyone was about to sell their home, the real estate agents probably have some unwritten understanding the houses need to remain "white" ... :sas1:. My 2 minute day dream of living in a dope waterfront home just outside NYC, here at least, were dashed :russ:
 
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Look up Massapequa, NY on Google Earth and Wikipedia. Go to waterfront areas and look at the homes with the beaches and pools and piers. For about 3 minutes, I imagined living on one of those homes, then taking the train station, just a 1 1/2 to the north, into NYC for work or play.

Then I looked at the demographics...:mjgrin:

21,000 people
  • 97% White
  • 0.17% Black
  • 1.6% Asian/Pacific Islander
  • 2.5 Hispanic
  • .73 Mixed
I thought if anyone was about to sell the real estate agents probably have some unwritten understanding the houses need to remain "white" ... :sas1:. My 2 minute day dream of living in a dope waterfront home just outside NYC, here at least, were dashed :russ:

Gotdamn that's like Idaho white :russ:
 

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Look up Massapequa, NY on Google Earth and Wikipedia. Go to waterfront areas and look at the homes with the beaches and pools and piers. For about 3 minutes, I imagined living on one of those homes, then taking the train station, just a 1 1/2 to the north, into NYC for work or play.

Then I looked at the demographics...:mjgrin:

21,000 people
  • 97% White
  • 0.17% Black
  • 1.6% Asian/Pacific Islander
  • 2.5 Hispanic
  • .73 Mixed
I thought if anyone was about to sell the real estate agents probably have some unwritten understanding the houses need to remain "white" ... :sas1:. My 2 minute day dream of living in a dope waterfront home just outside NYC, here at least, were dashed :russ:


I had a co worker who moved out there. He claimed that the area we were in was getting too "noisy". They love throwing these code words around, instead of just saying there are too many black people there for them.
 

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Look up Massapequa, NY on Google Earth and Wikipedia. Go to waterfront areas and look at the homes with the beaches and pools and piers. For about 3 minutes, I imagined living on one of those homes, then taking the train station, just a 1 1/2 to the north, into NYC for work or play.

Then I looked at the demographics...:mjgrin:

21,000 people
  • 97% White
  • 0.17% Black
  • 1.6% Asian/Pacific Islander
  • 2.5 Hispanic
  • .73 Mixed
I thought if anyone was about to sell the real estate agents probably have some unwritten understanding the houses need to remain "white" ... :sas1:. My 2 minute day dream of living in a dope waterfront home just outside NYC, here at least, were dashed :russ:


What’s crazy about Massapequa is there is a small section that is known as East Massapequa that is pretty mixed with all races but mostly black and they don’t want those black kids in the Massapequa schools so they zone the school districts in a way that kids that live in that area of Massapequa have to go to Amityville schools which is probably 80-85% black
 

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What’s crazy about Massapequa is there is a small section that is known as East Massapequa that is pretty mixed with all races but mostly black and they don’t want those black kids in the Massapequa schools so they zone the school districts in a way that kids that live in that area of Massapequa have to go to Amityville schools which is probably 80-85% black

Interesting. :mjpls: is ubiquitous and will work overtime to maintain :mjpls:.
 

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What’s crazy about Massapequa is there is a small section that is known as East Massapequa that is pretty mixed with all races but mostly black and they don’t want those black kids in the Massapequa schools so they zone the school districts in a way that kids that live in that area of Massapequa have to go to Amityville schools which is probably 80-85% black


They tried to do the same thing in Wheatley heights. They wanted to make the kids who live there go to Wyandanch instead of going to school with the kids who lived in Dix hills. It didn't work though. Same thing with great neck/Manhasset
 
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