Looking back, all of Wu messed up not sticking to the script and letting RZA continue to produce their solo albums

[MurderToCassette]

We all know out the 5 year plan, we just speak of hypothetically

Yeah naturally people are going to want to branch out and people grow apart and egos and money play a role too

I mean if we got more joints like Hyperdermix and Sneakers and less no name junk like My Favorite Dread, I wouldn't care

Somebody said Immobilarity sounds like a late 90's movie soundtrack and that's exactly what the problem is. shyt sounds like the score to a TNT movie you'd catch on a random Sunday night

 

[I love Latina women]

I mean if we got more joints like Hyperdermix and Sneakers and less no name junk like My Favorite Dread, I wouldn't care

Somebody said Immobilarity sounds like a late 90's movie soundtrack and that's exactly what the problem is. shyt sounds like the score to a TNT movie you'd catch on a random Sunday night

Bruh this shyt got me hollering

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

There’d be no 50% to give or gain without RZA.

And RZA wasn’t just the boss. He created the entire movement from the name, production, writing, the initial deal with Loud, the strategy to sign certain members to certain labels. RZA literally masterminded the entire thing. He EARNED that 50% cooking up beats in his basement for years while the other members were living life, smashing women, smoking dust, etc.

Yeah no shyt, nobody is arguing any different?

Still doesn't change the fact that 50% of the bread you're taking in is going to RZA if they was working on the solos with him? So what they do? They worked with others.

 

[NikFuq]

RZA said there were two floods.

One in '94, and another one after OB4CL, in '95.

He said he lost about 500 beats between both of them.

On the drink champs interview, RZA said the 2nd flood was during Iron Man. There's more to that story but I'm not remembering right now

 

[bzb]

i get it. dudes got to eat! but you also got to be committed to touring, shows, studio time etc.

making money off albums dries up quick. let's say your joint makes $5 mil. after everyone higher up gets their cut (label, lawyers, taxes, rza) the artist is lucky to take home $500k.

gotta walk them dogs. rza put them on and made it a movement. he was going to take a dip eventually, but they had a great run until the late 90s. they all ate

 

[mbewane]

I understand they all wanted to branch out, what pisses me off is that they still could've worked more with house Wu producers like 4th, True Master, later on Cilvaringz, Mathematics, Bronze. And I feel that Forever could've been a perfect opportunity to give more shine to affiliates like Shyheim, Killa Sin, Shogun Assasson, KP, Hell Razah, LA the Darkman, kind of like introducing the next wave to the bigger public, because when all those cats dropped later on it was really only die-hard Wu fans who were checking for them, despite the quality albums they did put out. I know that's what the Killah Beez albums were for, but I think having them on Forever would've been more potent.

 

[hex]

It wouldn't have been sustainable for reasons not listed in this thread. Not saying those are bad reasons but in addition to all that, RZA said when he was doing the early Wu stuff he barely left the house. He didn't even have sex. He woke up, took a shower, ate, and made beats.

The "Glaciers Of Ice" beat is a good example. When Rae recorded to it, it was just a drum. The next time he came back the whole song was done.

I can't see anyone doing that for as long as RZA did, let alone longer. Had the floods not happened it might've been possible because that's work that was already done.

Fred.

 

[I love Latina women]

I understand they all wanted to branch out, what pisses me off is that they still could've worked more with house Wu producers like 4th, True Master, later on Cilvaringz, Mathematics, Bronze. And I feel that Forever could've been a perfect opportunity to give more shine to affiliates like Shyheim, Killa Sin, Shogun Assasson, KP, Hell Razah, LA the Darkman, kind of like introducing the next wave to the bigger public, because when all those cats dropped later on it was really only die-hard Wu fans who were checking for them, despite the quality albums they did put out. I know that's what the Killah Beez albums were for, but I think having them on Forever would've been more potent.

I co sign the bolded proudly

I wish they would’ve kept it in house and continued to just keep it Wu

So RZA could’ve take a bit more off his shoulder and let guys like 4th, True, Bronze, John The Baptist produce the bulk

Inspectah deck too

The second round of Wu albums should’ve been exclusively all produced by RZA or his protégés only

Supreme Clientele is the only one that got it right in terms of letting of the Wu gritty and dusty sound with other producers helping out but I think it’s because RZA and Ghost were on the same page with the vision of that album

 

[I love Latina women]

It wouldn't have been sustainable for reasons not listed in this thread. Not saying those are bad reasons but in addition to all that, RZA said when he was doing the early Wu stuff he barely left the house. He didn't even have sex. He woke up, took a shower, ate, and made beats.

The "Glaciers Of Ice" beat is a good example. When Rae recorded to it, it was just a drum. The next time he came back the whole song was done.

I can't see anyone doing that for as long as RZA did, let alone longer. Had the floods not happened it might've been possible because that's work that was already done.

Fred.

You right

I’m acting like dude is a robot and taking for granted the time it takes to be working like that for a long time

 

[mbewane]

It wouldn't have been sustainable for reasons not listed in this thread. Not saying those are bad reasons but in addition to all that, RZA said when he was doing the early Wu stuff he barely left the house. He didn't even have sex. He woke up, took a shower, ate, and made beats.

The "Glaciers Of Ice" beat is a good example. When Rae recorded to it, it was just a drum. The next time he came back the whole song was done.

I can't see anyone doing that for as long as RZA did, let alone longer. Had the floods not happened it might've been possible because that's work that was already done.

Fred.

This too. I didn't even know about the 2nd flood tbh. The whole Bobby Digital thing makes even more sense now. After all those years of being the serious one working in the lab etc AND losing a shytload of beats, he must've had a "fukk all this" moment that would explain why he went in a whole other direction.

 

[I love Latina women]

This too. I didn't even know about the 2nd flood tbh. The whole Bobby Digital thing makes even more sense now. After all those years of being the serious one working in the lab etc AND losing a shytload of beats, he must've had a "fukk all this" moment that would explain why he went in a whole other direction.

Yup and by that point he just wanted to have fun and enjoy the fruits of his labor

 

[Red]

I understand they all wanted to branch out, what pisses me off is that they still could've worked more with house Wu producers like 4th, True Master, later on Cilvaringz, Mathematics, Bronze. And I feel that Forever could've been a perfect opportunity to give more shine to affiliates like Shyheim, Killa Sin, Shogun Assasson, KP, Hell Razah, LA the Darkman, kind of like introducing the next wave to the bigger public, because when all those cats dropped later on it was really only die-hard Wu fans who were checking for them, despite the quality albums they did put out. I know that's what the Killah Beez albums were for, but I think having them on Forever would've been more potent.

Forever doesn't even have enough verses from the members themselves and it's a double album. Where are verses from another 10+ people going to go?

 

[Awesome Wells]

This too. I didn't even know about the 2nd flood tbh. The whole Bobby Digital thing makes even more sense now. After all those years of being the serious one working in the lab etc AND losing a shytload of beats, he must've had a "fukk all this" moment that would explain why he went in a whole other direction.

Funny thing is, he just said recently that he STILL doesn't protect his music from floods. LOL!!

He said he feels like when things like that happen, it's for a reason and means he wasn't supposed to have that music. He said he keeps a baby grand piano in his bedroom with his wife, and he has that insured, but still doesn't insure or protect any of his other music.

 

[mbewane]

Forever doesn't even have enough verses from the members themselves and it's a double album. Where are verses from another 10+ people going to go?

Depends what you're aiming at. You don't necessarily need the two intros, and you got 4 solo tracks that could've had someone else on them or been replaced by other tracks with more MCs.

 

[Piff Perkins]

If we're talking 1997-1999 than sure I can agree. But RZA fell off so hard by the early 2000s that I don't blame anyone for not wanting beats at that time. I've always felt like they should have doubled down after the second album/RATM tour and all released solo albums with RZA within a 1-2 year span. Rae was on fire at that time and could have easily dropped a classic with the right production instead of Immobilarity. GZA could have dropped an amazing album. Masta Killa...even U-God sounded dope on Wu Tang Forever lol.