Looking back, how Koonish was the mafioso era of rap

[mortuus est]

Gambino is such a kool name guys dont you think

 

[CASHAPP]

Rap been c00ning since the early 90s, IMO. Just that some people assume that it's in the past and the musical quality is high, means that the message can get a pass, regardless how destructive it is. From being blood/crips in the NWA days, to the mafioso era style raps of the mid 90s, to the materialistic party rapper with the ill flow in 97, to the super thug gimmick of the late 90s and early 00s, to the southern trap c00n phase, nikkas BEEN wilding out and re-enforcing every negative behavior in the book. But that is somehow "real Hip Hop" when ignorance is packaged in it .

New Jim Crow

Again, though, it is useful to put the commodification of gangsta culture in proper perspective. The worst of gangsta rap and other forms of blaxploitation [such as VH1’s Flavor of Love] is best understood as a modern-day minstrel show, only this time televised around the clock for a worldwide audience. It is a for-profit display of the worst racial stereotypes and images associated with the era of mass incarceration—an era in which black people are criminalized and portrayed as out-of-control, shameless, violent, oversexed, and generally undeserving.

Like the minstrel shows of the slavery and Jim Crow eras, today’s displays are generally designed for white audiences. The majority of consumers of gangsta rap are white, suburban teenagers. …The profits to be made from racial stigma are considerable, and the fact that blacks—as well as whites—treat racial oppression as a commodity for consumption is not surprising. It is a familiar form of black complicity with racialized systems of control.

Many people are unaware that, although minstrel shows were plainly designed to pander to white racism and to make whites feel confortable with—indeed, entertained by—racial oppression, African Americans formed a large part of the black minstrel shows’ audience. In fact, their numbers were so great in some areas that theater owners had to relax rules segregating black patrons and restricting them to certain areas of the theater.

Historians have long debated why blacks would attend minstrel shows when the images and content were so blatantly racist. Minstrels projected a greatly romanticized and exaggerated image of black life on plantations with cheerful, simple, grinning slaves always ready to sing, dance, and please their masters. …Undeniably, though, one major draw for black audiences was simply seeing fellow African Americans on stage. Black minstrels were largely viewed as celebrities, earning more money and achieving more fame than African Americans ever had before. Black minstrelsy was the first large-scale opportunity for African Americans to enter show business. To some degree, then, black minstrelsy—as degrading as it was—represented success.

…And while rap is often associated with “gangsta life” in the mainstream press, the origins of rap and hip-hop culture are not rooted in outlaw ideology. When rap was born, the early rap stars were not rapping about gangsta life, but “My Adidas” and good times in the ‘hood in tunes like “Rapper’s Delight.” Rap music changed after the War on Drugs shifted into high gear and thousands of young, black men were suddenly swept off the streets and into prisons. Violence in urban communities flared in those communities, not simply because of the new drug—crack—but because of the massive crackdown, which radically reshaped the traditional life course for young black men. As a tidal wave of punitiveness, stigma, and despair washed over poor communities of color, those who were demonized—not only in the mainstream press but often in their own communities—did what all stigmatized groups do: they struggled to preserve a positive identity by embracing their stigma

 

[Lana Kane]

shyt, nikkaz deaths have been planned over a michelina's lasagna and a fukking yoohoo...hell, George Dubya Bush planned Iraqi deaths over a ham and cheese sandwich stuffed with cheetos (real story)

 

[kp404]

Not joking...Dubya was a fukking weirdo...his diet was like a big ass 6 year old

 

[UpAndComing]

Chief keef talking about what every other black rapper talks about >>>>>>>>> Naming yourself after people who hate your guts/race/being.

And 2 Pac didn't name himself after Machiavelli?

 

[JuvenileHell]

Good thread...fukk mafioso rap all day...give me Mobb Deep Infamous, DMX, Black Moon, Heltah Skeltah, and the grimey hip hop over that mafioso bullshyt anyday...only mafioso that is classic is Kool G Rap

What about Only Built For Cuban Linx

 

[kp404]

What about Only Built For Cuban Linx

Dude that's a top 15 album of all time...I'm mainly attacking the Firm album...I have such a high hatred for that album it really turned me off of NY rap for a long time, but once I got heavily into Mobb Deep it was a wrap and I was back for good

 

[Northern Son]

And 2 Pac didn't name himself after Machiavelli?

Machiavelli is a Renaissance era figure not a black hating modern day person. I don't recall any references to people of African heritage in his work or in his life...

 

[JuvenileHell]

Dude that's a top 15 album of all time...I'm mainly attacking the Firm album...I have such a high hatred for that album it really turned me off of NY rap for a long time, but once I got heavily into Mobb Deep it was a wrap and I was back for good

I feel you breh. The Firm album was something else tried waaay too much to be Godfather-ish.

Yeah Mobb Deep's The Infamous is the epitome of dark grimy street rap.

 

[kp404]

I feel you breh. The Firm album was something else tried waaay too much to be Godfather-ish.

Yeah Mobb Deep's The Infamous is the epitome of dark grimy street rap.

Infamous, Enta da stage, and its dark and hell is hot are my three-headed monster of perfect grimey, cold winter rap

 

[mozichrome]

is there no time period/thing/action that cant be spun into being c00nish by folks on this board

 

[Wild self]

people on here harp about how rapping about the negative shyt is "real Hip Hop" and distort the origins of what Hip Hop was created for: to get people OUT of the streets and to be better people.

New Jim Crow

Again, though, it is useful to put the commodification of gangsta culture in proper perspective. The worst of gangsta rap and other forms of blaxploitation [such as VH1’s Flavor of Love] is best understood as a modern-day minstrel show, only this time televised around the clock for a worldwide audience. It is a for-profit display of the worst racial stereotypes and images associated with the era of mass incarceration—an era in which black people are criminalized and portrayed as out-of-control, shameless, violent, oversexed, and generally undeserving.

Like the minstrel shows of the slavery and Jim Crow eras, today’s displays are generally designed for white audiences. The majority of consumers of gangsta rap are white, suburban teenagers. …The profits to be made from racial stigma are considerable, and the fact that blacks—as well as whites—treat racial oppression as a commodity for consumption is not surprising. It is a familiar form of black complicity with racialized systems of control.

Many people are unaware that, although minstrel shows were plainly designed to pander to white racism and to make whites feel confortable with—indeed, entertained by—racial oppression, African Americans formed a large part of the black minstrel shows’ audience. In fact, their numbers were so great in some areas that theater owners had to relax rules segregating black patrons and restricting them to certain areas of the theater.
Historians have long debated why blacks would attend minstrel shows when the images and content were so blatantly racist. Minstrels projected a greatly romanticized and exaggerated image of black life on plantations with cheerful, simple, grinning slaves always ready to sing, dance, and please their masters. …Undeniably, though, one major draw for black audiences was simply seeing fellow African Americans on stage. Black minstrels were largely viewed as celebrities, earning more money and achieving more fame than African Americans ever had before. Black minstrelsy was the first large-scale opportunity for African Americans to enter show business. To some degree, then, black minstrelsy—as degrading as it was—represented success.

…And while rap is often associated with “gangsta life” in the mainstream press, the origins of rap and hip-hop culture are not rooted in outlaw ideology. When rap was born, the early rap stars were not rapping about gangsta life, but “My Adidas” and good times in the ‘hood in tunes like “Rapper’s Delight.” Rap music changed after the War on Drugs shifted into high gear and thousands of young, black men were suddenly swept off the streets and into prisons. Violence in urban communities flared in those communities, not simply because of the new drug—crack—but because of the massive crackdown, which radically reshaped the traditional life course for young black men. As a tidal wave of punitiveness, stigma, and despair washed over poor communities of color, those who were demonized—not only in the mainstream press but often in their own communities—did what all stigmatized groups do: they struggled to preserve a positive identity by embracing their stigma

 

[UserNameless]

"All these niiggas love is the sound of an italian niigga name"-2pac

That c00n diddy recently said in a Whoo Kidd interview that he wished he was an italian.

He considered hisself a "black italian",

Gotta link that.

Sicilians have african ancestry. Dont underestimate the power of the moorish blood.

Anytime I meet someone who says they're Sicilian I'm like...






"... Ooooooooooooooooooooooooh, Sicilian, huh?"


























"Nice to meet you!"

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

No, Makaveli has nothing to do with that shyt... maybe Dons and Cappos n shyt... but its not like he named himself a Bad Italian Gangsta

Daayum U GOOD.... i just caught that

 

[aRoMaN21]

"All these niiggas love is the sound of an italian niigga name"-2pac

That c00n diddy recently said in a Whoo Kidd interview that he wished he was an italian.

He considered hisself a "black italian",

he really said that??