Looking back on it how the hell did W. get elected president?

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Let's not forget the power of the Nader splitting the vote in Florida. No self-respecting liberal would've voted for Bush in 2000, those votes would've gone into Gore's column and all those hanging chads/GOP shutting down black polling stations early shinanigans wouldn't have worked.

Nader split the vote and Bush's daddy called in political favors. It was a travesty of democracy. I'm still bitter. fukk Bush and his whole corrupt family.

This.

You had liberal media heads spending all kinds of air time literally begging Nader to drop out, once they realized he was going to pull a significant percentage of votes from Gore.

Cheney was crushing in the VP debates too (I hate Cheney but he won all his debates)

:ehh: People forget about Lieberman just looking spineless and weak out there.

Gore came off as a pompous know-it-all, while Bush was amazingly seen as "the guy you'd like to have a beer with" (some criteria for a rich kid!)

The Bush camp played this all the way to the end and had Gore going way outta his element cuz he got labeled as "robotic"

Even Dems were looking at Gore during the convention like :patrice: when he got all up on Tipper on national television

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The disrespect for Bush :dwillhuh: Y'all mad as fukk. I bet every single one of you wanted to go to war on 9/11. He played the hand that was dealt to him. Some of you actually wanted Gore to win? :pachaha::pachaha: Mister "I created the internet and global warming". :camby:.

Be happy that Bush stole Florida. Al Gore would have taxed Afghanistans carbon emissions instead of going to war over 9/11.
What did Iraq have to do with 9/11 though? Its also a known fact that Bush and his administration dismissed / ignored the intelligence that suggested an attack on american soil was imminent.
 

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:scusthov: The drone program is obviosuly a terrible mistake, I never said otherwise. And no one can possibly defend it. But this mofo Bush INVADED a country on false pretenses, lead to the deaths of HUNREDS OF THOUSANDS of civilains and wasted TRILLIONS of dollars that could have been put to use to actually benefit people. Iraq is in a WORSE state today. :stopitslime:

Obama defends the drone program. Under his admin, drone strikes have increased dramatically. Should he be a war criminal as well?

Not sure if you heard about Iraq before we invaded it, but Saddam wasn't a nice guy. He gassed the Kurds and invaded the Kuwaitis. He trolled America for literally decades. A Democratic Bill Clinton dropped bombs on Saddam but didn't invade for fear of backlash. Assuming he had chemical weapons/wmd was a very logical assumption given his history, especially given that Saddam told Bill that he did in fact have them. shyt, the NY Times reported a few months ago that they DID find chemical weapons and a lot of soldiers were exposed and weren't provided medical assistance because of the secrecy. Now, these weren't the same weapons that Bush brought up, but how far off base was he, really?

Civilian deaths are always a tragedy....but its a war. More died in the Iran/Iraq conflict. Iraq is in a worse state - right now. Those are the key words. Once the consolidation finishes, it will be in a better place to actually decide what the state future is. That opportunity could never happen under Saddam. I feel people forget just how brutal of a dictator he was. Iraq was a shyt show well before we got there, we just opened the flood gates and expedited the process. Theres no denying the war was largely for oil and those trillions spent will reap rewards directly and indirectly for decades to come. Gaining access to those oil fields was a gold mine for US companies and the largest consumers of oil in the world. The defense industries also reaped huge rewards. You may not like where the money ended up, but those trillions were an investment and they are gonna produce benefits for decades.

I'll leave you with this quote from Bill Clinton, who laid the groundwork for the invasion of Iraq.

Now, let’s imagine the future. What if he fails to comply, and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of the sanctions and continue to ignore the solemn commitments that he made? Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction. And some day, some way, I guarantee you, he’ll use the arsenal. And I think every one of you who’s really worked on this for any length of time believes that, too
 
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