Lord Jamar: "White People Don't Create Anything"

[Deaf2twothirds]

Cacs create weaponry thats their blessing

 

[aRoMaN21]

Cacs create weaponry thats their blessing

China created gun powder

 

[emoney]

In which case I agree, to say 'anything' is most definitely wrong, everyone have created 'something', however I think he may have misspoke and meant american music genres, as the topic pertained to music. In which he is correct.

exactly.

Lord Jamar needs to be more careful with how he words things. I agree with you that his "white people don't create or didn't create anything" was in reference to American musical genres but look at how the thread title was worded as well as the original article....It was taken out of context and has left him open to harsh criticism and rebuttals.

 

[observe]

Yet his chosen name is LORD. An English language translation of an Old English word, which has it's own roots in Germanic tribal speak.

It's like watching a white supremecist, who choose an African title as his name.

Charlamagne the God

 

[observe]

Damn..not to hate on anyone's game but that terrible..

 

[Mr. Pink]

I wasn't talking about money, now with that in mind, read it again. You are under the impression culture is bought, in order to have culture you have to buy it, that is typical cac mentality. That is why you are quick to buy artists, but you don't actually own the culture, what happens is people of that culture will just throw it away once it's tainted and create another outlet. This is why american culture is seen as a joke. What is american culture? first thing you think of are corporations. Ford, McDonalds. It's sad really. And it's sad that black people want to follow these rules, when they need not. Culture is within their hearts, they effortlessly express it to the world which is why it is envious. A lost people can just display new culture over night. It's amazing, eh cac?

Oh, here's the problem. I'm talking facts and you're talking theory. The mental acrobatics.

Old boy said America is about ownership, which is true. You interjected that it wasn't, it was about what you create. Now you come with some half-assed trite "it's what's inside that counts" bullshyt. Funny how the goalposts keep changing.

As for your point about American culture, you're talking way out of your ass. Unlike most countries, America is a melting pot, so it doesn't have just one culture. It has many different subcultures. The fact that you didn't grasp this basic fact makes you lose any credibility you might have had. You've let confirmation bias cloud your vision in your hurry to launch into some fukk the cacs rethoric. Even though I like the word, the fact that you make it a point to call me a cac even though I've been nothing but polite to you is the cherry on top.

Educated yourself before talking about serious matters and please don't adress me again. Thanks.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

exactly.

Lord Jamar needs to be more careful with how he words things. I agree with you that his "white people don't create or didn't create anything" was in reference to American musical genres but look at how the thread title was worded as well as the original article....It was taken out of context and has left him open to harsh criticism and rebuttals.

Nope. The first example he cited was movies, so clearly he wasn't only referring to American musical genres. Also someone else posted a video of his rebuttal to the whole 'sports=whites?' analogy and he basically said white people stole ball sports from Mayans There is no distortion, we all know exactly what he's saying, it's not like you never heard it before: white people are culture vultures who stole everything from poc and created nothing themselves. Many people believe this, many people claim this, if you co sign it, stand by it.

 

[ChatGPT-5]

Oh, here's the problem. I'm talking facts and you're talking theory. The mental acrobatics.

Old boy said America is about ownership, which is true. You interjected that it wasn't, it was about what you create. Now you come with some half-assed trite "it's what's inside that counts" bullshyt. Funny how the goalposts keep changing.

As for your point about American culture, you're talking way out of your ass. Unlike most countries, America is a melting pot, so it doesn't have just one culture. It has many different subcultures. The fact that you didn't grasp this basic fact makes you lose any credibility you might have had. You've let confirmation bias cloud your vision in your hurry to launch into some fukk the cacs rethoric. Even though I like the word, the fact that you make it a point to call me a cac even though I've been nothing but polite to you is the cherry on top.

Educated yourself before talking about serious matters and please don't adress me again. Thanks.

I'll address you whenever I want. Just like I am about too. You have 2 options, mute or ignore. Choose which ever, it matters not to me.

What 'theory' am I talking about? That culture can not be bought? That owning record labels, owning masters does not equate to owning a genre or culture? or that what you create comes from within? where else does it come from? These are no theories. No argument changed, no goal posts were moved, no mental gymnastic, it's was clean cut and dry.

I know for your feeble mind this is hard to comprehend because to you, music is a product, as is culture but I've already explained this above, you're not a child or a small dog, I shouldn't have to repeat myself like an elder. You either choose to accept, or choose to mentally block out what I'm writing. Proof in that, is I clearly stated America WAS a melting pot, how that managed to find it's way into your argument, merely demonstrates you chose to mentally block way before you replied.

If cac doesn't bother you, you wouldn't have taken it as an insult, it does bother you, no need to joker smile, we saw through it long before, most just cared not to point it out. {yawn}

 

[Rack4K]

Superiority over whom? You think you will get economic superiority over the majority population? Or do you mean as a whole?

I totally understand why some black people feel their culture is being bought out, why some are disrespected when it is mimicked. When that is all you have, that is precious, but you simply swiping that way because they lack 'capitalistic' ownership is comedic. You are viewing music and culture like it is a product. Your fukking culture is not a product. You are black, that is not your mentality, you should know better.

Superiority over whites and asians. And yes I think it's completely possible for a group to gain economic superiority over the majority population. Whites did it in Africa for about a century. In fact, they do it worldwide considering the fact that they're the least populated race on earth.

Culture is not a product. You're right. But Hiphop culture (which I'll say again is an offspring of white western culture in the first place) is not under siege by the likes of Macklemore...that dude been rapping for 15 years ("in the culture") and nobody gave a shyt about him until he found success in the hiphop industry. If this discussion is some deep discourse on culture than white folks shouldn't even matter since they don't really have any actual power in the culture anyway. They do have capitalistic ownership though, so what are the likes of you and Lord Jamar really mad about

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

He makes good points, but the message easily gets lost because he's getting to carried away. Rather then people seeing the message for what it is, he comes off as bitter.

he doesnt come off as bitter at all. and even if he did come off as bitter, he absolutely has the right to be such.

he comes off as a strong black man with sense. and that frightens society. hes like the boogey man to all leeches & culture vultures right now.

how is he getting too carried away? hes not saying anything shocking. its only new to people who live thru TV & the internet and havnt seen a real nicca tell it like it is on an actual platform in a while.

 

[Mr. Pink]

Culture is not a product. You're right. But Hiphop culture (which I'll say again is an offspring of white western culture in the first place) is not under siege by the likes of Macklemore...that dude been rapping for 15 years ("in the culture") and nobody gave a shyt about him until he found success in the hiphop industry. If this discussion is some deep discourse on culture than white folks shouldn't even matter since they don't really have any actual power in the culture anyway. They do have capitalistic ownership though, so what are the likes of you and Lord Jamar really mad about

He doesn't understand that he's contradicting himself anyway. How can whites b*stardize hip hop if that culture comes from within black people? Why has the quality of hip hop declined for the last decade or so? Someone like Lyor Cohen can try and push black artists towards making bullshyt bubblegum rap(which I admit is what the vast majority of cacs prefer), but he can't actually create the culture right? Unless the artists themselves *cough Jay cough* are going in that direction for riches.
From an economic perspective, what difference would it make to someone like Cohen what type of raps are put out as long as they're making money? Tupac, Biggie, Snoop and Dre sold more records and made more money for their labels than probably anyone, and they did it when hip hop was still real hip hop. Back then whites were still the majority of album buyers, just like now. So what changed?

Old boy's rants(and Lord Jamar's) are the equivalent of Paulie Gualtieri from The Sopranos bytching about Starbucks making money off Italian culture. If he'd just come out and say so, it would be fine, since it's a perfectly legitimate gripe, and anyone can empathize with it. Instead he'd rather deflect from what it really is and frame it as "culture raping".

You can't have it both ways. If cacs don't own hip hop then they can't be responsible for its faults or for its current state.

 

[MostReal]

In September, Lord Jamar said that Macklemore & Ryan Lewis’ "Same Love” pushed an agenda that he did not approve of. In a new, exclusive interview with HipHopDX, the Brand Nubian rapper says that he doesn’t think that a White rapper should push an agenda that goes against the principles upon which Hip Hop culture was founded.

“As a White person, who is a guest to the house of Hip Hop, you don't have the right, okay, to come in and try to decide where this shyt should go,” Lord Jamar says during an exclusive interview with HipHopDX. "Make a Rock song saying that. Make some EDM shyt promoting that. Like don't try to use our vehicle, our vehicle that we created, to promote some shyt that you know we don't fukk with. That's all I'm saying.

"I'm not saying White people can't make Hip Hop,” Lord Jamar continues. "I'm not saying you can't talk about pretty much what you want to talk about, but then again, there are boundaries to everything. If I'm making wine, I can't just put fukking beer in there and call it wine. It's no longer wine. It's something else. Don't try to tell me that, ‘Oh, Hip Hop is self expression.' Yeah Hip Hop is self-expression. It is all those things. You're right. But, everything has its parameters, and to say that Black people don't own this music is ridiculous. All cultures want to highlight their accomplishments and there's nothing wrong with that."

Lord Jamar says that he takes issue with the fact that things created by Black people are appropriated by White people, a practice that has taken place, in music in particular, since Black people arrived in the United States.

“They [White people] don't create anything,” Lord Jamar says. "Look at all the remakes they did. Look at all the remakes they did with movies. They're not creative. We've come up with how many different genres of music as long as we've been here, in America? And they've stolen damn-near every one, to the point now it seems odd for a Black man to do Rock n Roll or Country music, when the banjo is an African instrument. They just added a few more strings. Like, knock it off. And that's where Country music comes from, and then Blues and all that type of shyt. Rock N Roll was a slang for fukkin' that we came up with. Okay? And so now it seems odd, and so how many years in the future will it seem odd for a black man to do Hip Hop, the way it's going? You see what I'm saying? But what will we do? What we always do. We'll come up with some other fukking shyt that'll intrigue you. Some whole next kind of music that'll have you like, 'Oh my God. How did you do that?' And you'll try to shyt on it at first the way you did with Hip Hop and then when you see that it's relentless, then you'll try to co-opt it."

http://www.hiphopdx.com/m/index.php?s=news&id=27101

so much realness

lawd help me

 

[MostReal]

cacnificent response, next time tell us about how cacs taught the ancient egyptians to build pyramids.

 

[MostReal]

I'm not going to get into italian food, it has an interesting history with a lot of other 'people'. This thread is about music.

I felt I should chime in because I noticed a lot of black people cosigning this bullshyt about, "we don't own the music, we don't own record companies", like some god damn stupid fukks. How can they own what is inside you? How can they own your expression? Your culture? They don't own it, they just sell it to themselves as merchandise, and you are jealous of that??????? HAVE SOME fukkING PRIDE. YOU ARE THE CULTURE.

its time black folks get paid for being the Culture like everyone else does. That is what we getting at. We tired of everyone off of us & we starving out here

 

[coose]

To me white people basically own rap music now in a monitery since, but non white people create the hiphop culture. As we know whites buy the majority of legal albums, white owned corporations sign artist or labels, control the tours, album release dates and what type of songs are put on albums and in some cases merchandise associated with "there" artist. White corporations own all if not a majority of the TV channels that play rap music or things related to the culture of hip hop as well as the radio stations. White people have told us Eminem is one of the best rappers when strictly speaking for myself I do not know many non white people that listen to him. Now we have dudes putting stuff on the internet for free and all that but on the monitery side and mass communication side it appears white people are in control of rap music even though non white people create the culture the music comes from.