“Lupe Fiasco played all the drums on Hovi Baby” - Just Blaze

[Yaboysix]

Never heard this song in my life ... I know the Lupe drums thing was a joke, but Fck all that...

...I'm listening to this song for the first time RN....

And this sound like Early Lupe...

 

[Mindfield333]

The thing about Twitter is sometimes old tweets lack context. Especially when you don’t reply directly to people. So it’s hard to know whether someone is trolling on not after the fact. I’m glad I’m not famous because I’ve spoken to someone on the TL without @ing them and if someone showed me a 7+ year old tweet today I’d be confused

 

[Braman]

Lupe Pressure verse….

And so it seems that I'm sewing jeans
And 1st and 15th is just a sewing machine
So I cut the pattern and I sew its seams and
Button in this hustling, then, publicly, I'm Buddy Lee
There's no busting them
And cuffing them is like ushering in the regime
They want me to make Prince pants
But I withstand, I ain't gotten into that
A little big in the waist, two-pocket on the back
Call them Lu-vi's, old jeans covered in blue dye (Woo!)

Mans made a jeans scheme

Yea it’s clever but it’s utterly pointless. Wasted motion. Which is Lupe in a nutshell.

Jay took him out back put some soap and water on him. Washed him like some blue jeans

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

there's video of just playing the drums for hovi baby

 

[Braman]

Never heard this song in my life...
...I'm listening to this song for the first time RN....

And this sound like Early Lupe...

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2002/01/03/city-tops-us-with-667-murders-in-2001/

Definitely this one, didn’t even change the hook

This conspiracy theory makes sense now. Yall nggas are youngins, wasn’t outside

You got one ngga you never heard Hovi Baby and w/ Lucifer did you not see Fade to Black

Kanye walked in with the hook and bridge already on it. We already know that. If anything, THATS where Lupe could have ‘contributed’ with Kanye taking credit. As he has a history of doing

But more importantly, Jay knocked the verse out on the spot on camera . Lol @ Lupe coming up with a verse eulogizing Big’s brother who no one else even knew. Lol @ Jay stopping the camera, punching out, and going to get Lupe from the other room to give him lines Yall nggas weird

 

[Pop123]

Crazy how he's not arrogant when it comes to biting tho

Oof…gut shot.

 

[Braman]

Hovi baby don't even sound like Lupe

The funny part is the context of the song makes it the unlikeliest song to be ghostwritten. Jay on that song using new weird flows and bragging about the fact that he's using new weird flows

Of all the songs to be ghostwritten this would be one of the hardest ones to live down if discovered

They weren’t outside.

I mentioned earlier, you would REALLY had to be outside to know that timeframe after jay lost to Nas he went apeshyt on a mixtape/shyt talk vibe. Addicted to the Game, Early this Morning, People talking, Guess who’s back when everybody thought it was a Jay song. Dont You Know…‘Hova’. Hell Hovi Baby is just a more refined version of Hova.

Then there’s ’Back From Italy’ freestyle which is where you can tell he was playing with new flows/adlibs/nicknames ‘YEP! Hovi’s home….’. He has never called himself “Hovi” before then. Then the first song on his next album is HOVI Baby and 10 seconds in: ‘YEP!’

You can tell these songs were all recorded around the same time and with the same vibe.

@ Lupe’s nerdy little corny ass having anything to do with that. Only a legit culture vulture would dare say Lupe Fiasco wrote Hovi Baby

 

[TheWiseWon]

Lupe Pressure verse….

And so it seems that I'm sewing jeans
And 1st and 15th is just a sewing machine
So I cut the pattern and I sew its seams and
Button in this hustling, then, publicly, I'm Buddy Lee
There's no busting them
And cuffing them is like ushering in the regime
They want me to make Prince pants
But I withstand, I ain't gotten into that
A little big in the waist, two-pocket on the back
Call them Lu-vi's, old jeans covered in blue dye (Woo!)

Mans made a jeans scheme

Yea it’s clever but it’s utterly pointless. Wasted motion. Which is Lupe in a nutshell.

Jay took him out back put some soap and water on him. Washed him like some blue jeans

Lupe broke down:

- The label's function
- His role as an artist in this context
- His ties to the streets (comparison to Buddy Lee and the slogan in the preceding line)
- Reluctance to dabble in mainstream foolery (Prince's backless chaps)
- Referenced two GOATs seamlessly (OGs covered in blue dye)

This is all in the first half of the first verse, since you excluded the second half.

---

Here's Jay's verse in its entirety:

So the pen is mightier than the sword, my Lord
My first picture was a line-up, now I'm on the Forbes
And I still remain the artiste through this all
If you force my hand, I'll be forced to draw
If the war calls for Warhols
Hope you got enough space on your hall's walls
I make nikkas murals, then escape the Bureau's investigation
Out in Europe on vacation
I'm back for these puppies with the pound, boy (rrra)
Here's a round, boy (rrra, rrra), down, boy
Sound boy, you don't wanna sound clash loud noise
Leave nikkas paranoid if not paralyzed
Which means you can't walk in my shoes
Too much green, you can't talk in my hue
Extend the team, nikka, holla at Lu'
1st and 15th, that's my cue, I'm through

Mans made an art scheme

Yea it's clever but it's utterly pointless

 

[ajnapoleon]

im gonna kill this right now


with all that hate jay that was around


dont you think


dame
cam
beans
osinhno
etc....


would have said someone writes for jay?



dame legit said jay could have messed with fox but him getting ghostwritters is too low to say

 

[Braman]

Lupe broke down:

- The label's function
- His role as an artist in this context
- His ties to the streets (comparison to Buddy Lee and the slogan in the preceding line)
- Reluctance to dabble in mainstream foolery (Prince's backless chaps)
- Referenced two GOATs seamlessly (OGs covered in blue dye)

This is all in the first half of the first verse, since you excluded the second half.

---

Here's Jay's verse in its entirety:

So the pen is mightier than the sword, my Lord
My first picture was a line-up, now I'm on the Forbes
And I still remain the artiste through this all
If you force my hand, I'll be forced to draw
If the war calls for Warhols
Hope you got enough space on your hall's walls
I make nikkas murals, then escape the Bureau's investigation
Out in Europe on vacation
I'm back for these puppies with the pound, boy (rrra)
Here's a round, boy (rrra, rrra), down, boy
Sound boy, you don't wanna sound clash loud noise
Leave nikkas paranoid if not paralyzed
Which means you can't walk in my shoes
Too much green, you can't talk in my hue
Extend the team, nikka, holla at Lu'
1st and 15th, that's my cue, I'm through

Mans made an art scheme

Yea it's clever but it's utterly pointless

The fact you think I needed a breakdown

I get the verse, I’m not interested in the verse. It’s just bars for bars sake nothing noteworthy. Bc he’s a new MC with nothing noteworthy to say about his personal life. His best songs were about the world he was observing (He Say She Say, American terorist , etc). These are classic Lupe songs. But when he had to talk about himself….


Whereas with Jay’s verse we know his story so when he’s spiting a scheme or a double entendre or talking shyt, it hits deeper bc it’s actually his unique life story and it’s FACTS. It makes the line better

My first picture was a line-up, now I'm on the ForbesFACTS.
And I still remain the artiste through this all
If you force my hand, I'll be forced to draw He has bust his gun Facts
If the war calls for Warhols
Hope you got enough space on your hall's walls
I make nikkas murals, then escape the Bureau's investigation Facts
Out in Europe on vacation Facts
I'm back for these puppies with the pound, boy (rrra)
Here's a round, boy (rrra, rrra), down, boy
Sound boy, you don't wanna sound clash loud noise
Leave nikkas paranoid if not paralyzed
Which means you can't walk in my shoes Facts
Too much green, you can't talk in my hue Facts

That’s why he is who he is and why Lupe is not in the same echelon

 

[Yehuda]

with all that hate jay that was around


dont you think


dame
cam
beans
osinhno
etc....


would have said someone writes for jay?

Oschino has said that.

 

[I'm Blackman]

Nonsense and cocksuckery

 

[Pop123]

im gonna kill this right now


with all that hate jay that was around


dont you think


dame
cam
beans
osinhno
etc....


would have said someone writes for jay?



dame legit said jay could have messed with fox but him getting ghostwritters is too low to say

All them crusty ass nigs was kicked out the whip before the album in question, …album was after Dame said he wanted Cam to be VP without informing Jigga and Jigga starting to distance himself from them dusty rusty ass nigs.

And I’m sure if Jigga was getting help writing it’d be discreet…somebody put Young Guru and any other engineer on the lie detector machine, , they’d know

If you weren’t there in real time and were just looking back on the game tapes and the timeline of how everything transpired…one might come to the conclusion that Nas spanked Jigga viciously and also imploded and destroyed Rocafella Records. . “I don’t kill soloists, only kill squads”. One might feel like the whole damn record label got gunned up and clapped quick, 🫢

 

[TheWiseWon]

The fact you think I needed a breakdown

I get the verse, I’m not interested in the verse. It’s just bars for bars sake nothing noteworthy. Bc he’s a new MC with nothing noteworthy to say about his personal life. His best songs were about the world he was observing (He Say She Say, American terorist , etc). These are classic Lupe songs. But when he had to talk about himself….


Whereas with Jay’s verse we know his story so when he’s spiting a scheme or a double entendre or talking shyt, it hits deeper bc it’s actually his unique life story and it’s FACTS. It makes the line better

My first picture was a line-up, now I'm on the ForbesFACTS.
And I still remain the artiste through this all
If you force my hand, I'll be forced to draw He has bust his gun Facts
If the war calls for Warhols
Hope you got enough space on your hall's walls
I make nikkas murals, then escape the Bureau's investigation Facts
Out in Europe on vacation Facts
I'm back for these puppies with the pound, boy (rrra)
Here's a round, boy (rrra, rrra), down, boy
Sound boy, you don't wanna sound clash loud noise
Leave nikkas paranoid if not paralyzed
Which means you can't walk in my shoes Facts
Too much green, you can't talk in my hue Facts

That’s why he is who he is and why Lupe is not in the same echelon

I'm going off of the gif you posted

I understand where you are coming from in terms of personal preference. I would wager most feel the same way you do because it's more accessible.

I connect more with abstract references since they encourage the listener to extract meaning and attribute it to their experience.

It seems hip-hop is an art form where particular forms of expression are looked down upon.

I don't think one form is better than the other, but to say Lupe got washed on this song is still asinine.

 

[Art Barr]

Nonsense.

First off only w/ Jay do people say ‘wash’ when it’s just 2 top tier MCs and the other MC happened to have a slightly better verse. The ONLY exception is Em on renegade where it’s a big gap

Ie Big and jay every song they’ve done I can ask 100 people it’ll be split down the line who got off. But bc folk dislike jay, the takeaway will be …Big washed jay

Big has never ‘washed’ jay. I’d argue the only one to outright snap and outdo the other is Jay washed Big on Young G’z

As far as the rest it’s the same thing, people are going to gas/root for the underdog. So let yall tell it, Beans, Face, Nas, (Kanye, Jay elec, Sauce Money, Cam…) all just embarass jay every track they’re together

In actuality, jay has done multiple songs with these guys and for every song they’ve got the better of him he’s gotten the better of them too. No one is ‘washing’ anyone bc they’re all elite.

Well, except Lupe….he washed Lupe on Pressure

Breh.

Nobody mentioned biggie.


I said.

Big l
Juice

Eminem.

You just texted all that shyt. Which has nuffin to do with my comment.


Jay got washed by:


Big l
Juice
Eminem

Plus never ramped to see them as well.


All that other shyt. You posted was jayz sten twitter finger revisionism and deflection.


Facts are this.

In timeline it took Jay a full decade more to ramp to even be able to rap on a level that would warrant a listen. Plus the shyt cap cause off the top.

Jay not on shyt

So all that other shyt is posturing, deflection and wanna be jayz stsn revisionism. Where said stan like usual does not know history like that.
Spawned by jayz having the best pr. in the history of rap to spin this false narrative. That only tells.
none of the whole half and not the whole math.





Art Barr