Lupe Fiasco VS Talib Kweli..Twitter Beef

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Well not really, but they had an interesting debate. Which side do you guys agree with? I think Lupe's part about his dad is the missing link. Just by his comments, I don't think he realizes how much the issue would be resolved if more kids had an active father in their life.

My bad if there is already a thread on this. Just wanted to hear some opinions.

Lupe Fiasco And Talib Kweli Debate Over Violence In Hip Hop (DETAILS) | Global Grind
 

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That was a good back and forth and I would love to see a rapper who is classified as "gangster" rap chime in on this. 50 perhaps? idk, he may take the conversation in a hostile direction
 

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I with Talib Kweli on this....even though both raised some good points. I just think Kweli's responsed are more along the my line of thinking. Especially this:

@LupeFiasco youve spoken of growing up on gangsta rap like Spice 1, but you seem to have come from a good home as well, & u super lyrical

@LupeFiasco to me that suggests that the answer isnt censoring gangsta or violent rap, but creating better homes, thats where it starts.

I agree 100% with this.

Lupe's response:

@TalibKweli yeah I grew up on gangsta rap Spice 1 was my inspiration. But I also grew up on Beethoven BEFORE Spice 1.

I wasnt really feeling, because even in response, he admitted he was INSPIRED by Spice 1 and not Beethoven. Just because he listened to Beethoven doesnt mean anything.


That's like me saying I was inspired by Chief Keef, but I also listened to Drake......what does Drake have to do with anything? Chief Keef was who I looked up to in that example and wanted to either imitate or looked up to in some fashion.


Talib Kweli:salute:
 

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I wasnt really feeling, because even in response, he admitted he was INSPIRED by Spice 1 and not Beethoven. Just because he listened to Beethoven doesnt mean anything.


That's like me saying I was inspired by Chief Keef, but I also listened to Drake......what does Drake have to do with anything? Chief Keef was who I looked up to in that example and wanted to either imitate or looked up to in some fashion.


Talib Kweli:salute:

Agree with you somewhat but my interpretation of what lupe was getting at is along with growing up in a home with a father, he had a balance in the music and it just wasn't gangsta shyt constantly being bumped and not being a sole influence on him artistically.
 

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Agree with you somewhat but my interpretation of what lupe was getting at is along with growing up in a home with a father, he had a balance in the music and it just wasn't gangsta shyt constantly being bumped and not being a sole influence on him artistically.

Yea I think Lupe made a good point there, but I don't think he acknowledges how lucky he is. When a kid grows up in a broken home and they hear gangsta music, they're just gonna imitate what other kids are doing. While Lupe's dad was there to separate the BS from the real, many kids don't have that.
 

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Agree with you somewhat but my interpretation of what lupe was getting at is along with growing up in a home with a father, he had a balance in the music and it just wasn't gangsta shyt constantly being bumped and not being a sole influence on him artistically.

You may be right on your interpretation of what he was saying.


Dont get me wrong, again, both raised good point. I just side with Kweli's view a little more.


I believe everything starts in the home and if you aren't raising your kids, "the streets" will....and they are the worst parents.
 

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As I said in the last thread.
These kids don't need rap records they need guidance .
No one wants to admit that because that would require
actual work be done, instead they'd rather demonize rap lyrics
and encourage mass censorship.
Instead of directly questioning parents and their child rearing
habits.

Gucci shouldn't be a factor because Mom and Dad have instilled good
values in their child, we shouldn't have to worry about music
turning our children into violent, murderous misogynists.

I like that Talib (one of my favorite rappers :yes: ) has views in
line with mine.

And him pointing out that Lupe is likely a product of GOOD PARENTING not "Positive music" was good for this "discussion".
 
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Talib Kweli was being politically correct, but at the end of the day that won't get it.

Music does influence the youth, when LiL Jon was popular violence in the club was at a new height, because people would start fighting just because the song came on. People are that stupid.

90% of the gangster rappers ain't gangsta,

But at the end of the today if Lupe ain't about start dissing rappers and ending careers, all his tweets are for nothing.

You want to change Hip Hop you gotta confront people, you gotta diss these nikkaz and make them look weak in the eyes of there fans.
 

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Yea I think Lupe made a good point there, but I don't think he acknowledges how lucky he is. When a kid grows up in a broken home and they hear gangsta music, they're just gonna imitate what other kids are doing. While Lupe's dad was there to separate the BS from the real, many kids don't have that.

You may be right on your interpretation of what he was saying.


Dont get me wrong, again, both raised good point. I just side with Kweli's view a little more.


I believe everything starts in the home and if you aren't raising your kids, "the streets" will....and they are the worst parents.

But even with saying that, we've all had partners who had both parents, good living situation and not even the music but the allure of what their friends who out here gettin it or just pop culture as a whole pulled them in to try and start being "about that life". We also know cats who've been in a single parent home who strayed but got back on track and made something out of the situation that they were in. Not downplaying the significance of the parental role but to ignore the influence that other outside entities that directly or indirectly play into the equation solves nothing IMO
 

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Check this out article about Single Parent Households vs 2 Parent Households in the African American Community:


Father-absent families—black and white alike—generally occupy the bottom rung of our society’s economic ladder. Unwed mothers, regardless of their race, are four times more likely to live in poverty than the average American. Female-headed black families earn only 36 percent as much as two-parent black families, and female-headed white families earn just 46 percent as much as two-parent white families. Not only do unmarried mothers tend to earn relatively little, but their households are obviously limited to a single breadwinner—thus further widening the income gap between one-parent and two-parent families. Fully 85 percent of all black children in poverty live in single-parent, mother-child homes.

While the overall black poverty rate remains about two-and-a-half times higher than the white poverty rate (24 percent vs. 10 percent), the “face” of black poverty has changed dramatically in recent decades. At one time, almost all black families were poor, regardless of whether one or both parents were present. Today, however, two-parent black families are rarely poor. Among black families where both the husband and wife work full-time, the current poverty rate is a mere 2 percent. Moreover, the relatively small (13 percent) income disparity between black and white two-parent families completely disappears when we take into account such factors as occupational choices, educational attainment, age, geographic location, and comparative skills.

Children in single-parent households are raised not only with economic, but also social and psychological, disadvantages. For instance, they are four times as likely as children from intact families to be abused or neglected; much likelier to have trouble academically; twice as prone to drop out of school; three times more likely to have behavioral problems; much more apt to experience emotional disorders; far likelier to have a weak sense right and wrong; significantly less able to delay gratification and to control their violent or sexual impulses; two-and-a-half times likelier to be sexually active as teens; approximately twice as likely to conceive children out-of-wedlock when they are teens or young adults; and three times likelier to be on welfare when they reach adulthood.

In addition, growing up without a father is a far better forecaster of a boy’s future criminality than either race or poverty. Regardless of race, 70 percent of all young people in state reform institutions were raised in fatherless homes, as were 60 percent of rapists, 72 percent of adolescent murderers, and 70 percent of long-term prison inmates. As Heritage Foundation scholar Robert Rector has noted, “Illegitimacy is a major factor in America's crime problem. Lack of married parents, rather than race or poverty, is the principal factor in the crime rate.”

Breakdown of the Black Family, and Its Consequences - Discover the Networks


This is why I lean HEAVILY on the idea that 2 Parent Households > Single Parent Households.


Bottomline for me though is that violence in the black community was here before rap and video games. Poverty, Drugs, and lack of good parents (whether 1 or 2 in the house) are the REAL major causes of inner city demise imo.


If people raised their kids better, things would be better:manny:
 

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if the music has more of an influence of how a kid behaves than the child's parents do, then that parent ain't parenting right.
 
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