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[DEAD7]

So I've been pondering(for a while) how exclusionary American markets were when its moneyed participants were left to their own devices... and considering how the mantra of 'self interest breeds the best economic out come for all' is countered by more than 200yrs of hard evidence, and been thinking that... maybe the free market is a bad idea.




At some point during a debate with a few fellow libetards this weekend, I realized most libertarians brush racism aside as incidental or irrelevant to public policy... and that if individuals are the source of racism and race bias, then the institutions they construct will inevitably be conduits for both... creating a huge flaw in our approach.

Its still rolling around in my head, but I think the logic of markets may mask the illogic of racism...
if that makes sense...


I don't know, I'm still thinking it through., Could just be a moment of weakness.

 

[Brown_Pride]

1st that u fuked up gif...
2nd.

countered by more than 200yrs of hard evidence

That's what we been sayin.

Also, if racism and bias are a sourced in human then OF COURSE the institutions they create will be a reflection of that, the question then is how do you turn away from that given that all systems are created by humans (outside of natural ones)? The answer... Gubments, more aptly laws to REGULATE systems for the betterment of all.

Humans and economics are like fires, when life wild they will consume quickly until there is nothing left to consume and then die out. The are also similar in that you can regulate and control a fire and that shyt will go on perpetually baring acts of god.

 

[Liu Kang]

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So I've been pondering(for a while) how exclusionary American markets were when its moneyed participants were left to their own devices... and considering how the mantra of 'self interest breeds the best economic out come for all' is countered by more than 200yrs of hard evidence, and been thinking that... maybe the free market is a bad idea.




At some point during a debate with a few fellow libetards this weekend, I realized most libertarians brush racism aside as incidental or irrelevant to public policy... and that if individuals are the source of racism and race bias, then the institutions they construct will inevitably be conduits for both... creating a huge flaw in our approach.

Its still rolling around in my head, but I think the logic of markets may mask the illogic of racism...
if that makes sense...


I don't know, I'm still thinking it through., Could just be a moment of weakness.

But at the moment, I'm classifying you in the "you need more people" phase. I will really believe your new-found stance once you stop blaming governments for every mistakes there are.







And when you link sources more clearly

Anyway, it's good to doubt your opinions and everybody should do so from time to time. You may still end up being a libertarian but at least it would be a true opinion built through doubts, learnings and debates instead of it being simply a pose. Can only that.

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

Sounds like what everyone that was a libertarian as a freshman in college went through.

You're gonna be championing single-payer health care in a few months time breh

 

[Brown_Pride]

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But at the moment, I'm classifying you in the "you need more people" phase. I will really believe your new-found stance once you stop blaming governments for every mistakes there are.







And when you link sources more clearly

Anyway, it's good to doubt your opinions and everybody should do so from time to time. You may still end up being a libertarian but at least it would be a true opinion built through doubts, learnings and debates instead of it being simply a pose. Can only that.

hmmm you know something. It's been a slow board day he might be using this time to create the allusion that he arrived at "Libertarian is the answer" after deep reflection and doubt followed by further analysis.

@DEAD7

 

[DEAD7]

Still thinking it through and @ the King gif

I'd also like to add that govt. is inevitably a vehicle for racism as well. It isn't free from the pitfalls of private entities, and IMO still represents a much bigger threat along those lines.

... and capitalism =/= the free market Although I often conflate the two myself.
Capitalism and the blessing that it is, is never in question


Anyways just thought I'd share.

 

[DEAD7]

And when you link sources more clearly

Spoiler

Leave my post alone!!!!!

 

[Brown_Pride]

Still thinking it through and @ the King gif

I'd also like to add that govt. is inevitably a vehicle for racism as well. It isn't free from the pitfalls of private entities, and IMO still represents a much bigger threat along those lines.

... and capitalism =/= the free market Although I often conflate the two myself.
Capitalism and the blessing that it is never in question


Anyways just thought I'd share.

Well governments are just another system, so yeah they are subject to the same pitfalls as any other man made system. The free market tends to lends itself to people taking advantage of other people, be default and definition they are supposed to do that, it's the regulations the keep the free market system from completely devouring itself.

You'll come around.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

that coli 2016 presidential nomination for the (L) ticket is up for grabs now eh?

 

[DEAD7]

that coli 2016 presidential nomination for the (L) ticket is up for grabs now eh?

 

[JahFocus CS]

capitalism =/= the free market Although I often conflate the two myself.
Capitalism and the blessing that it is, is never in question

We're getting there

 

[TNC]

So I've been pondering(for a while) how exclusionary American markets were when its moneyed participants were left to their own devices... and considering how the mantra of 'self interest breeds the best economic out come for all' is countered by more than 200yrs of hard evidence, and been thinking that... maybe the free market is a bad idea.




At some point during a debate with a few fellow libetards this weekend, I realized most libertarians brush racism aside as incidental or irrelevant to public policy... and that if individuals are the source of racism and race bias, then the institutions they construct will inevitably be conduits for both... creating a huge flaw in our approach.

Its still rolling around in my head, but I think the logic of markets may mask the illogic of racism...
if that makes sense...


I don't know, I'm still thinking it through., Could just be a moment of weakness.

An intelligent man is always his own harshest critic

And a grown man is able to man up and admit when he could be wrong

Respect on the post regardless of the outcome

 

[TNC]

1st that u fuked up gif...
2nd.

That's what we been sayin.

Also, if racism and bias are a sourced in human then OF COURSE the institutions they create will be a reflection of that, the question then is how do you turn away from that given that all systems are created by humans (outside of natural ones)? The answer... Gubments, more aptly laws to REGULATE systems for the betterment of all.

Humans and economics are like fires, when life wild they will consume quickly until there is nothing left to consume and then die out. The are also similar in that you can regulate and control a fire and that shyt will go on perpetually baring acts of god.

Good point.

This also might explain the Conservative lean towards God and religion and the Liberal lean against those ideas in that people that believe in religion believe in a life after death, and if this is true, why not consume and indulge as much as possible in the current life because there is no reason to leave anything behind after "the end" whereas those who don't believe in religion and a life after death are more about longevity and balance because there may not be a life after death and they certainly don't believe there is so they want to maintain what we have in this lifetime... sorry, just kinda stumbling and brainstorming on this...

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

u could always be my VP as an (I)

 

[theworldismine13]

So I've been pondering(for a while) how exclusionary American markets were when its moneyed participants were left to their own devices... and considering how the mantra of 'self interest breeds the best economic out come for all' is countered by more than 200yrs of hard evidence, and been thinking that... maybe the free market is a bad idea.




At some point during a debate with a few fellow libetards this weekend, I realized most libertarians brush racism aside as incidental or irrelevant to public policy... and that if individuals are the source of racism and race bias, then the institutions they construct will inevitably be conduits for both... creating a huge flaw in our approach.

Its still rolling around in my head, but I think the logic of markets may mask the illogic of racism...
if that makes sense...


I don't know, I'm still thinking it through., Could just be a moment of weakness.

its not the markets that deal with racism, its the concept of indiviual rights and democracy that deal with racism