Macklemore is being used to paint the rest of hip-hop as 'uncivil'

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fukk hip hop culture

This so called culture is trash

Im sick of dis bullsht :snoop:

No longer associating myself with this garbage ass culture

This article was the cotdamn last straw :snoop:
*sigh*

I feel where you're coming from man.

It's such a joke now.
 

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Great article except for this part

"Where the Macklemore-Tim Tebow comparison falls short is the fact that Macklemore and Ryan Lewis are very good at what they do.The Heistfeatures great songs, catchy, radio-friendly hooks and Macklemore's patented thought-provoking lyrics."

Macklemore is trash just like Tebow, the comparison is perfect.
 

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it's time to start something completely new and let them have hip-hop.

we don't control any distribution, we have no labels worth mentioning. the only purpose for Blacks in hip-hop at this point is to make money for someone else who isn't Black.

fukk it. we're some of the most creative people on planet earth, we can do something new, and this time don't let the vultures in.

:yeshrug:
 

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it's time to start something completely new and let them have hip-hop.

we don't control any distribution, we have no labels worth mentioning. the only purpose for Blacks in hip-hop at this point is to make money for someone else who isn't Black.

fukk it. we're some of the most creative people on planet earth, we can do something new, and this time don't let the vultures in.

:yeshrug:
This time? We didn't learn from jazz, blues, rock, and even soul, now hip hop...I don't think there's a "this time don't let them", they take what they want, no honey badger
 

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This time? We didn't learn from jazz, blues, rock, and even soul, now hip hop...I don't think there's a "this time don't let them", they take what they want, no honey badger

I agree that they take what they want, but it's even easier when all they have to do it cut a few nikkas decent checks to make the kind of music that put hip-hop into the position it's in today where it's all about drugs, disrespecting women and violence.
that made it extremely easy for someone like Macklemore to come in and do what he's done in hip hop.

we have to learn from the mistakes that caused us to lose hip hop and the other genres we've pioneered, and one of the most fundamental rules of ANYTHING new we start is that we must NOT under ANY circumstances accept any of their money, whether it's a loan or not.

money is the gateway into the Black community and it causes us to make extremely irrational decisions because many of us simply aren't used to money.
 
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While one being honest does have to take into account the destructive side of hip hop. For years mainstream shows have ignored more positive acts in hip hop. Some because they weren't selling platinum, others scared of pro-black messaging and themes of self-empowerment, but to act like there haven't been multitudes of positive black acts in hip hop is beyond simplistic. This isn't about changing the image, this is again about rewarding the white voice (a la eminem - dude was far from positive yet he was white and sold well). I love the article's use of the word "gentrification" because that's exactly what whites want to do with the genre, make it safe for them and to their liking.

This.

Over the years it really sickens me how white society collectively has gone out of their way to try to change hip-hop so they can enjoy it more and make it "safe" like you said. Other genres of music and their musicians have been allowed to do them (even when the content and general image behind the music is largely negative) except for hip-hop. There's always somebody trying to tell us how to do our music, how we should act, what we should rap about, what we should wear, how we should present ourselves, and all of this other bullsh!t that reeks of the notions of those from the outside looking in. If you like something GENUINELY, you shouldn't want to change it. Bottom line, it wasn't meant for you if that was the case.

It just goes back honestly to white society's collective need to change and be in control of things. Can't call a spade a spade, realize it's not for them, and move on. Realize you can't relate to what certain artists are talking about, and move on. But no, it just can't be like that. Y'all want a piece of EVERYTHING and want to DOMINATE everything so your egos aren't shattered when you are already present and in control of damn near 99% of EVERYTHING. WHEN DOES IT STOP? Why must these people be so insecure? Honestly (and no offense) it makes me SICK!

Everything is art to y'all except for what is actually art! I can go to the Louvre and see the Mona Lisa and accept that it's a piece of art. Simply because of the time frame, the execution, the use of materials and the fact that it has been critically acclaimed as a masterpiece makes it a masterpiece! The best art is the best because a person can accept the artist's vision and move on. But with Macklemore and this "agenda" in hip-hop now, it is the opposite.

I have no problem with white people in hip-hop who respect the culture and the people and know that they aren't entitled to say ANYTHING about it just because they are on the outside looking in. There are white people who realize that their privelege disallows them a leg to stand on in a discussion of hip-hop and black culture, because although they aren't affected by racism...THEY ARE THE SOLE PERPETRATORS OF IT!

And when white people in hip-hop get called out by a black person of a POC of it, every cry of racism on their part just reeks of not only someone who DOESN'T get it...but has a RACIST attitude towards that in itself by even trying to utilize the weak excuse of "reverse racism" as a substitution for "I'm not invited to the party...and I'm mad!".

We haven't been invited to THAT party in hundreds of years...and are still looking from the outside in in that regard. Taking everything as you please blinded by a colonial mentality and white privelege. Unaware of why it is and what it is.

So yes...I really don't want to hear the opinion some suburban whitebread lame who just paid $3000 to displace a Dominican family in Bushwick who works at Pitchfork where the only black people that work there serve up food in the cafeteria and still walks across the other side of the street when they see a group of black teenagers playing basketball coming towards them on how "WE" should make our hip-hop for THEIR Liking when even when we have made positive music and cerebral music it has been ignored by them EN MASSE!

That's like going to a pizza place that's been open for almost 100 years two weeks ago, eating a slice of pizza, and then telling THEM how THEY can make it better.

If they've been doing it for that long without a problem..why should they stop doing it? Because someone (who doesn't really matter in the long run other than for money) doesn't like it?

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This.

Over the years it really sickens me how white society collectively has gone out of their way to try to change hip-hop so they can enjoy it more and make it "safe" like you said. Other genres of music and their musicians have been allowed to do them (even when the content and general image behind the music is largely negative) except for hip-hop. There's always somebody trying to tell us how to do our music, how we should act, what we should rap about, what we should wear, how we should present ourselves, and all of this other bullsh!t that reeks of the notions of those from the outside looking in. If you like something GENUINELY, you shouldn't want to change it. Bottom line, it wasn't meant for you if that was the case.

It just goes back honestly to white society's collective need to change and be in control of things. Can't call a spade a spade, realize it's not for them, and move on. Realize you can't relate to what certain artists are talking about, and move on. But no, it just can't be like that. Y'all want a piece of EVERYTHING and want to DOMINATE everything so your egos aren't shattered when you are already present and in control of damn near 99% of EVERYTHING. WHEN DOES IT STOP? Why must these people be so insecure? Honestly (and no offense) it makes me SICK!

Everything is art to y'all except for what is actually art! I can go to the Louvre and see the Mona Lisa and accept that it's a piece of art. Simply because of the time frame, the execution, the use of materials and the fact that it has been critically acclaimed as a masterpiece makes it a masterpiece! The best art is the best because a person can accept the artist's vision and move on. But with Macklemore and this "agenda" in hip-hop now, it is the opposite.

I have no problem with white people in hip-hop who respect the culture and the people and know that they aren't entitled to say ANYTHING about it just because they are on the outside looking in. There are white people who realize that their privelege disallows them a leg to stand on in a discussion of hip-hop and black culture, because although they aren't affected by racism...THEY ARE THE SOLE PERPETRATORS OF IT!

And when white people in hip-hop get called out by a black person of a POC of it, every cry of racism on their part just reeks of not only someone who DOESN'T get it...but has a RACIST attitude towards that in itself by even trying to utilize the weak excuse of "reverse racism" as a substitution for "I'm not invited to the party...and I'm mad!".

We haven't been invited to THAT party in hundreds of years...and are still looking from the outside in in that regard. Taking everything as you please blinded by a colonial mentality and white privelege. Unaware of why it is and what it is.

So yes...I really don't want to hear the opinion some suburban whitebread lame who just paid $3000 to displace a Dominican family in Bushwick who works at Pitchfork where the only black people that work there serve up food in the cafeteria and still walks across the other side of the street when they see a group of black teenagers playing basketball coming towards them on how "WE" should make our hip-hop for THEIR Liking when even when we have made positive music and cerebral music it has been ignored by them EN MASSE!

That's like going to a pizza place that's been open for almost 100 years two weeks ago, eating a slice of pizza, and then telling THEM how THEY can make it better.

If they've been doing it for that long without a problem..why should they stop doing it? Because someone (who doesn't really matter in the long run other than for money) doesn't like it?

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I feel each and every one of your points and get tired of people, black and white, trying to tell me this isn't how I should feel. Gtfoh
 

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Even the "conscious' rap isn't even conscious all the way through though. You will still have stories that are negative, wallowing in the misery of ghetto life, which isn't positive or up lifting. Or you have some kool g rap dude with raps about crazy crime shyt squeezed in somewhere. People are having a hard time coming to the realization that the entire ghetto culture is bad. The art forms that came out of it are beautiful but at some point it all has to be put to bed and another lifestyle has to be taken on.
 

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...at some point it all has to be put to bed and another lifestyle has to be taken on.

:lupe:

you think these people are voluntarily living in the poor/negative circumstances that they live and rap about?

can these people just stop living in poverty and "grow up"?
 

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fukk Macklemore!! HIS MUSIC IS NOT HIP HOP!! He sounds like a white Flo-Rida who makes music that embraces fakkits in hip hop.. smdh
 
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