Magic On Kobe: He's on my Mount Rushmore

[premier58]

Kobe, so Magic and Kareem are special and Kobe isnt? Magic with his terrible jumpshot,.but Kobe Bryat who is a scoring machine who we may never see again, isnt? My point stands, Kobe went through a much tougher West and with way less surrounding talent, and.has the same amount of rings,,.Magic played with Kareem, Worthy, McAdoo legit HOFers..and all stars like Byron Scott and Michael Cooper..and Kareem played with the two best point guards ever, and the other aforementioned star players..

 

[Juggalo Fred]

lol @ this idiot bringing up media awards.

 

[premier58]

Duncan himself said that he is trying to catch Kobe.,and its not self deprecating, hyberbolic humility like Tom Brady, he really meant it...

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

"Bu.....but.....even Magic admitted Jordan is the GOAT"- Homo Jordan stans
"But....but....Magic is old, he doesn't know what he's talking about"- Homo Jordan/Lebron stans and Kobe haters

 

[KOBE]

Kobe, so Magic and Kareem are special and Kobe isnt? Magic with his terrible jumpshot,.but Kobe Bryat who is a scoring machine who we may never see again, isnt? My point stands, Kobe went through a much tougher West and with way less surrounding talent, and.has the same amount of rings,,.Magic played with Kareem, Worthy, McAdoo legit HOFers..and all stars like Byron Scott and Michael Cooper..and Kareem played with the two best point guards ever, and the other aforementioned star players..

Pretty sure I said they're all great, but I'm not stupid enough to think that Kobe is somehow more special than Kareem or Magic.

We've seen a player like Kobe before, his name was Jordan. Others have been amazing scorers, maybe not on Kobe's level or with his type of game, but we've seen them. The closest thing we have to Magic is Lebron, and even he is nowhere close in terms of Magic's post game, his court vision, his playmaking, etc. Magic has had no equal in terms of playmaking and court vision and he was 6'9". He is the BEST playmaker of all time.

Kareem had no equal in terms of career length and ability to score. There's a reason he's so far ahead of everyone in scoring, he managed to stay healthy and keep scoring late into his career. He had 6 rings, 6 MVPs, and an endless list of accomplishments. He utilized a shot that was damn near unguardable and now it's damn near impossible to replicate as no one can do it, at least not as well as he was doing it.

Your point is awful about level of competition. Kobe went through a harder western conference, but the finals matchups were all way easier aside from the Celtics. The Lakers in the 80s were playing against the the Bad Boy pistons, the equally stacked Celtics, and the Sixers. Some of the best teams of all time and they still got 5 rings out of it. Magic/Kareem also went to 9 finals in 12 years, do you understand the amount of fatigue that would put you through? The Heat were done after going to 4 straight, you could tell they were tired and slow, yet the Magic/Kareem, worthy, etc just kept on going, in particular Magic/Kareem that were since the first.

And your point about the supporting casts can get out. Kobe had amazing players around him too and the best coach of all time, we weren't killing anybody or doing much with we had bad supporting casts around Kobe. HE was still playing amazing and managed to get us to the playoffs, but nothing was accomplished.

 

[premier58]

Pretty sure I said they're all great, but I'm not stupid enough to think that Kobe is somehow more special than Kareem or Magic.

We've seen a player like Kobe before, his name was Jordan. Others have been amazing scorers, maybe not on Kobe's level or with his type of game, but we've seen them. The closest thing we have to Magic is Lebron, and even he is nowhere close in terms of Magic's post game, his court vision, his playmaking, etc. Magic has had no equal in terms of playmaking and court vision and he was 6'9". He is the BEST playmaker of all time.

Kareem had no equal in terms of career length and ability to score. There's a reason he's so far ahead of everyone in scoring, he managed to stay healthy and keep scoring late into his career. He had 6 rings, 6 MVPs, and an endless list of accomplishments. He utilized a shot that was damn near unguardable and now it's damn near impossible to replicate as no one can do it, at least not as well as he was doing it.

Your point is awful about level of competition. Kobe went through a harder western conference, but the finals matchups were all way easier aside from the Celtics. The Lakers in the 80s were playing against the the Bad Boy pistons, the equally stacked Celtics, and the Sixers. Some of the best teams of all time and they still got 5 rings out of it. Magic/Kareem also went to 9 finals in 12 years, do you understand the amount of fatigue that would put you through? The Heat were done after going to 4 straight, you could tell they were tired and slow, yet the Magic/Kareem, worthy, etc just kept on going, in particular Magic/Kareem that were since the first.

And your point about the supporting casts can get out. Kobe had amazing players around him too and the best coach of all time, we weren't killing anybody or doing much with we had bad supporting casts around Kobe. HE was still playing amazing and managed to get us to the playoffs, but nothing was accomplished.

Good post, u made some great points. But the level of talent that Magic/Kareem played with dwarfs Kobes..not arguable in any way. They did face better Finals comp, but you play more series in your conference, right? Magic save for arguably the 83 Sixers, never faced a team with more talent than his own, Kobe has on several occassions, 00 Blazers, 02 Kings, 08/10 Celtics and won fot the most part..Magic is more unique than Kobe, but Kobe is just as special..IMO, he is the most all around skilled scorer in history..his combination of range, degree of difficulty, ballhandling, post game, footwork, creativity, variety of shots, slashing ability, finishing ability, baseline attacking is second to none. Kobe also played in the golden era of swingmen, and outperformed and outlasted everyone of them. Why didnt Magic when Kareem left? Kobe sure did when Shaq did...I love Magic and Kareem and they have a great argument over Kobe, but IMO, Kobe has been unfairly ostracized for things that other players get free passes for. As great as Kareem was, he consistently underperformed in the playoffs, when the NBA was weak and alot of the best talent was in the ABA...

 

[Taadow]

How many rings does Magic have without Kareem?

Magic won his FIRST ring without Kareem, playing Kareems position, and was Finals MVP.

So what are YOU saying?

 

[Taadow]

Kobe, so Magic and Kareem are special and Kobe isnt? Magic with his terrible jumpshot,.but Kobe Bryat who is a scoring machine who we may never see again, isnt? My point stands, Kobe went through a much tougher West and with way less surrounding talent, and.has the same amount of rings,,.Magic played with Kareem, Worthy, McAdoo legit HOFers..and all stars like Byron Scott and Michael Cooper..and Kareem played with the two best point guards ever, and the other aforementioned star players..

Dude...

1. Bob McAdoo came to the Lakers at the end of his career long after
he was a major factor. His career with the Lakers is comparable to Karl Malone's.

2. Byron Scott and Coop were not All-Stars. Ever.

 

[premier58]

Magic won his FIRST ring without Kareem, playing Kareems position, and was Finals MVP.

So what are YOU saying?

So Kareem didnt dominate for the first 5 games of the series? Winning one game.is not the same as winning without him on the roster...he never won without Kareem on the roster and u know it..one of the all time greats still,.but Kobe gets criticized for winning with Shaq,.little props for winning without him..and Shaq never won anything prior to him, unlike Kareem..

 

[premier58]

Dude...

1. Bob McAdoo came to the Lakers at the end of his career long after
he was a major factor. His career with the Lakers is comparable to Karl Malone's.

2. Byron Scott and Coop were not All-Stars. Ever.

I know McAdoo was at the end of his career. He was still a very effective 6th man and the fact that someone so decorated was like the fourrh option, speaks volunes...I.didnt even mention Jamaal Wilkes, another HOF..this man had four legit HOFs by his side(Kareem, Wilkes, McAdoo and Worthy) i over spoke on Scott and Cooper, but they were still good players. Coop was a lockdown defender who was a capable shooter and finisher, Byron Scott was a good scorer with good atheleticism..he may not have officially been an All Star, but he was better than BJ Armstrong and John Starks, who did. When people discuss the greatness of the 86 Celtics, Walton is mentioned as one of the testaments to them being loaded, so why shouldnt McAdoo be used to illustrate how loaded the early to mid 80s Lakers were? When he had more left than broken down Bill?

 

[Smokin Rider]

Kobe is top 5. I've always seen it and so do all the legends. Some bitter fakkits on the coli can't tell you different

 

[Taadow]

So Kareem didnt dominate for the first 5 games of the series? Winning one game.is not the same as winning without him on the roster...he never won without Kareem on the roster and u know it..

It is, because that's what happened. He won the series without him. You don't have to lie to kick it.

 

[Taadow]

I know McAdoo was at the end of his career. He was still a very effective 6th man and the fact that someone so decorated was like the fourrh option, speaks volunes...I.didnt even mention Jamaal Wilkes, another HOF..this man had four legit HOFs by his side(Kareem, Wilkes, McAdoo and Worthy) i over spoke on Scott and Cooper, but they were still good players. Coop was a lockdown defender who was a capable shooter and finisher, Byron Scott was a good scorer with good atheleticism..he may not have officially been an All Star, but he was better than BJ Armstrong and John Starks, who did. When people discuss the greatness of the 86 Celtics, Walton is mentioned as one of the testaments to them being loaded, so why shouldnt McAdoo be used to illustrate how loaded the early to mid 80s Lakers were? When he had more left than broken down Bill?

1. Why are you talking like those "four legit HOFs" by Magics' side were all there at the same time in their prime?

2. Yes - you did overspeak on Coop. He was not an All-Star like you said. He was a lockdown defender and a capable
shooter and finisher. So were Horry, Rick Fox, Gary Payton and Ron Artest (i'll leave Late Rodman out). Why do they get dismissed
for being by Kobe's side?

3. Yes - you did overspeak on Scott. He was not an All-Star like you said. He was a good scorer with good athleticism.
So were Mitch Ritchmond and Lamar Odom. Why do they get dismissed for being by Kobe's side?

...and for that matter, how was Byron Scott not an All-Star? Didn't he play in the "weaker Western Conference" you were talkin'
about earlier? lol

 

[Cyber]

Love seeing some of the best ever prop up the Mamba. Haters gonna keep on hating, it's clear he belong in these discussions and none of the other GOATs have a problem with it.

 

[fantabolous]

Why...why do laker fans on here stan so hard for kobe while discrediting other laker players?


Kobe is an all time great and I love him, but he's not Magic and he's not Kareem. Both of those guys were special and both of those guys helped make that Celtics/Lakers rivalry what it is by actually WINNING more series than they lost. They're all fukking amazing so this stupid shyt about Kobe being the GOAT Laker needs to stop, just because we didn't get a chance to see the other GOAT lakers doesn't mean you can just discredit them because Kobe is your favourite. :kobeshrug:

So you say this... and you're entitled to your opinion. One of these extra special lakers you mentioned "Magic Johnson" consistently tells us that Kobe is the greatest laker of all time. So why should we discredit his opinion, since he seems to be an expert on the subject matter?