Mannie Fresh: Kanye Wanted to Sign to Cash Money

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

So your telling me that someone who was responsible for turning a local record label into a mainstream powerhouse isn't better than producers who were already popular yet couldn't even turn their own respective artists (Kelis, Famlay, Magoo, Truth Hurts, Knocturnal, GLC, Da Brat) into stars?

da brat wasn't a star tho?



all JD did was make stars. he shouldn't be included with those.

Well that sucks for his career since I believe he certainly would have been able to produce monster hits for several artists, but he didn't and therefore shouldn't be honored with the title of once being a superproducer. And Then What, Diamonds, or Show Me Love weren't hits.
I'm not, I actually despise people gravitating towards mainstream success as a factor of being great. BUT, the term superproducer is solely used to explain someones dominance in pop culture and isn't even a hip hop term. It originated to highlight producers such as Brian Eno, Rick Rubin, Phil Spector, Quincy Jones, Joe Meek, and George Martin.

I can get with that, but how does that eliminate mannie? cash money didn't have dominance in pop-culture now? HE DID ALL THE BEATS.

just because he wasn't allowed to venture out and do random collabos, it doesn't take away from the history dude made.

"and then what" wasn't a hit now? wow.

if mannie isn't a super-producer, then neither is dr. dre.

 

[T.H.E. Goat]

da brat wasn't a star tho?



all JD did was make stars. he shouldn't be included with those.

She had one platinum album after that she fell off. Not saying she wasn't a great artist but in the grand scheme she wasn't a star she just benefited from being a female hip hop artist in a time where there wasn't a lot

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

So your telling me that someone who was responsible for turning a local record label into a mainstream powerhouse isn't better than producers who were already popular yet couldn't even turn their own respective artists (Kelis, Famlay, Magoo, Truth Hurts, Knocturnal, GLC, Da Brat) into stars?

Are you really going to argue that Timbaland, Neptunes, or JD aren't superproducers?

 

[sanityovar8ted]

he better be glad he didnt otherwise he wouldnt be able to buy them retardekly expensive white tees

 

[T.H.E. Goat]

Are you really going to argue that Timbaland, Neptunes, or JD aren't superproducers?

Nope, i just want to know the artist they produced hits for that wasn't already popping before working with them

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

Nope, i just want to know the artist they produced hits for that wasn't already popping before working with them

Ginuwine, Aaliyah, and Missy Elliot were poppin before?

Usher, Da Brat, Kriss Kross were poppin before?

and in neptunes case, they didn't come out trying to promote one artist. They were out there with the intent to produce for different genres from the get-go.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

She had one platinum album after that she fell off. Not saying she wasn't a great artist but in the grand scheme she wasn't a star she just benefited from being a female hip hop artist in a time where there wasn't a lot

there were TONS of female rappers out when da brat blew up.

she actually got better after the 1st album homie. whichever album you think is better is up for debate. some say the first, others say the 2nd. and skills-wise, she ramped up like a muhsucka. lets not even get on all the guest spots she destroyed for years.

by your logic, the only female rap stars are salt-n-pepa. right? if you agree to that, then i'll fall back.

da brat is iconic in the female hip-hop sub-genre. and also the first female solo rapper to go platinum.

Ginuwine, Aaliyah, and Missy Elliot were poppin before?
Usher, Da Brat, Kriss Kross were poppin before?
and in neptunes case, they didn't come out trying to promote one artist. They were out there with the intent to produce for different genres from the get-go.

you do know that prime r.kelly made aaliyah into a multi-platinum artist while timbaland was carrying devante's bags, right?


are we talking hip-hop at all here? because those are all r&b artists. timbaland is an r&b producer with great drums. he couldn't even blow ms jade up when she was pound-for-pound the illest female in the game.

cosign Jermaine dupri

 

[T.H.E. Goat]

Ginuwine, Aaliyah, and Missy Elliot were poppin before?

Usher, Da Brat, Kriss Kross were poppin before?

and in neptunes case, they didn't come out trying to promote one artist. They were out there with the intent to produce for different genres from the get-go.

Usher was working with Diddy before he started working with JD, R Kelly had already made Aaliyah a star before Timbo, and Missy and Timbo worked together to help each other blow that wasn't all Timbaland.

You're right about the rest though

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

you do know that prime r.kelly made aaliyah into a multi-platinum artist while timbaland was carrying devante's bags, right?


are we talking hip-hop at all here? because those are all r&b artists. timbaland is an r&b producer with great drums. he couldn't even blow ms jade up when she was pound-for-pound the illest female in the game.

cosign Jermaine dupri

You're right about Aaliyah, my bad, but it doesn't take away the fact that Timbaland produced a platinum album for her.

We're talking superproducers, people that are in the category with successful producers that are held in high regard in other genres. If it is solely hip hop, then I'll take away a few producers I mentioned before as great producers in hip hop.

Usher was working with Diddy before he started working with JD, R Kelly had already made Aaliyah a star before Timbo, and Missy and Timbo worked together to help each other blow that wasn't all Timbaland.

You're right about the rest though

Usher sold gold and My Way sold 6xplatinum, who made him a star?

Timbaland produced the whole album, we're talking production brah.

 

[T.H.E. Goat]

there were TONS of female rappers out when da brat blew up.

she actually got better after the 1st album homie. whichever album you think is better is up for debate. some say the first, others say the 2nd. and skills-wise, she ramped up like a muhsucka. lets not even get on all the guest spots she destroyed for years.

by your logic, the only female rap stars are salt-n-pepa. right? if you agree to that, then i'll fall back.

da brat is iconic in the female hip-hop sub-genre. and also the first female solo rapper to go platinum.


you do know that prime r.kelly made aaliyah into a multi-platinum artist while timbaland was carrying devante's bags, right?


are we talking hip-hop at all here? because those are all r&b artists. timbaland is an r&b producer with great drums. he couldn't even blow ms jade up when she was pound-for-pound the illest female in the game.

cosign Jermaine dupri

How many of them were successful? When Da Brat came out it was female rappers but how many was really making noise?

As far as impact don't get me wrong but Da Brat's impact was huge but after her first album she started falling off (not skills-wise, success-wise)

 

[T.H.E. Goat]

You're right about Aaliyah, my bad, but it doesn't take away the fact that Timbaland produced a platinum album for her.

We're talking superproducers, people that are in the category with successful producers that are held in high regard in other genres. If it is solely hip hop, then I'll take away a few producers I mentioned before as great producers in hip hop.



Usher sold gold and My Way sold 6xplatinum, who made him a star?

Timbaland produced the whole album, we're talking production brah.

Timbaland and Missy co-produced the album together it wasn't all Timbaland

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

Timbaland and Missy co-produced the album together it wasn't all Timbaland

"Supa Dupa Fly was recorded and produced solely by Timbaland, and was released in July 1997 through The Goldmind Inc. and Elektra Records."

A google search didn't show any of that....

My guess is that missy learned most of her stuff from timbaland and started producing after the album.

 

[LordFendiMane]

He's too outspoken to be on CMR. Imagine Kanye not getting any royalty checks like Tyga...

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

He's too outspoken to be on CMR. Imagine Kanye not getting any royalty checks like Tyga...

imagine what?

kanye getting his ass beat?

Usher was working with Diddy before he started working with JD, R Kelly had already made Aaliyah a star before Timbo, and Missy and Timbo worked together to help each other blow that wasn't all Timbaland.

You're right about the rest though

meh. usher flopped under diddy.

usher was a flop before JD and after JD. nobody ever calls dude out on it tho.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

You're right about Aaliyah, my bad, but it doesn't take away the fact that Timbaland produced a platinum album for her.
We're talking superproducers, people that are in the category with successful producers that are held in high regard in other genres. If it is solely hip hop, then I'll take away a few producers I mentioned before as great producers in hip hop.

the bottom line is, he didn't make her a star. that was dude's point.


and lets be real. if devante didn't lose his mind, ginuwine would've still been ginuwine.


I was under the impression that we were talking hip-hop from the beginning. that's why I was taken aback by your posts........for the record tho, mannie did his thing on the r&b tip as well, but that's neither here nor there.

How many of them were successful? When Da Brat came out it was female rappers but how many was really making noise?

As far as impact don't get me wrong but Da Brat's impact was huge but after her first album she started falling off (not skills-wise, success-wise)

lady of rage came out at the same dam time. salt-n-pepa, queen latifah & mc lyte were experiencing possibly their most success. boss was big. smooth had hits. heather b had joints. that's just off the top of my head.

that's a lot going on - which is one of the reasons why some of the other female artists didn't blow. this was arguably one of the busier times for female rap. so lets not act like da brat was on some default ish like trina or even nicki.

success-wise, da brat's 2nd album did well and she was still just as big. the 2nd album didn't do as well as the 1st, simply because it didn't have the huge hit singles:
funkdafied
for all yall
gonna give it to you
that's a huge run of singles. something that not too many rappers have accomplished, yet alone duplicated. her not matching that run is not a fall off in the least bit.

again I ask, if da brat wasn't a star, then what female rappers were?