“Marcus Garvey was a fat tether”- The Honorable Tariq Nasheed

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William Pickens was right.

I wonder if he was one of the eight prominent African Americans who petitioned Attorney General Harry M. Daugherty asking the U.S. government to continue its prosecution of Garvey?

“On January 15, 1923, a group of eight prominent African Americans petitioned Attorney General Harry M. Daugherty asking the U.S. government to continue its prosecution of Garvey on charges of mail fraud, and to investigate acts of violence attributed to Garvey's followers -- among them, the assassination in early January 1923 in New Orleans of J. W. H. Eason, Garvey's former deputy, who had been expelled from the movement at the August 1922 Convention on charges of personal misconduct…”.

 
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Bodied the thread. Tariq was right again.

Views change over time but if you’re on the right side of history your work will remain righteous.
 

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Folks being fascinated that a Black figure had detractors are obvious historical illiterates.

Nothing new about having others disagree with leadership. MLK had detractors. So did Malcolm.

To new age idiots, it follows a dumb ass pattern.

1. I want to dislike a figure
2. Find out who dislikes him
3. See! i was right

:heh:
 

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Folks being fascinated that a Black figure had detractors are obvious historical illiterates.

Nothing new about having others disagree with leadership. MLK had detractors. So did Malcolm.

To new age idiots, it follows a dumb ass pattern.

1. I want to dislike a figure
2. Find out who dislikes him
3. See! i was right

:heh:

Mr Black unity and strength Marthin Luther was cavorting with White women..I suppose he should be discarded from history, same as Malcolm going by coli standards.
 

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Mr Black unity and strength Marthin Luther was cavorting with White women..I suppose he should be discarded from history, same as Malcolm going by coli standards.
New age clowns and their “anything short of everyone agreeing and things bowtied” show just how stupid and non involved these inactive clowns are.

Not a single leader was 100% liked. These clowns hate Pan Africanist and Garvey, then used WEB Dubios who was hated by Black southerners and died a pan Africanist.

These folks are clowns.

Cant wait until they hate Trinidadian Stokley Carmichael and then post Roy Wilkins hating him to then say “see!!”

Clowns
 

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Bodied the thread. Tariq was right again.

Views change over time but if you’re on the right side of history your work will remain righteous.
Not really, because it’s a bit more complicated. The the first person J. Edgar Hoover went after was Marcus Garvey. He called Marcus Garvey the Black Moses thst needed to be stopped at all costs.


Who was Daugherty?

“In 1927 Daugherty twice went to trial on charges of graft and fraud stemming from his actions as attorney general; both trials ended in hung juries. He spent the rest of his life in law practice in Ohio, maintaining his innocence to the end and defending both himself and Harding in The Inside Story of the Harding Tragedy, written jointly with Thomas Dixon in 1932.”


While Marcus was imprisoned, the KKK reached its peak.

“This post originally published on Aug. 17, 2017, and has been updated.

The Ku Klux Klan was at the height of its popularity when more than 30,000 members — racists and anti-Semites marching 22 abreast and 14 rows deep — paraded down Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington on Aug. 8, 1925.”

Ku Klux Klan parade, Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 1926


Dr. Dennis “Ausar” Winkler (DAW) - Tariq Nasheed’s “Marcus Garvey Attack”? | President E. Winchester Responds.

In this episode of Conversations with Dr. DAW, we examine recent claims surrounding Marcus Garvey, leadership, and the direction of Black political thought.

 

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They do, their people suck:russ:
Another “highly intelligent” contribution by you. Sarc.


Philosophy and Opinions of Marcus Garvey edited by Amy Jacques-Garvey.

The Journal of Pan African Studies 2009 eBook.

Page 32, "White Man's Solution for the Negro Problem in America".


“The greatest stumbling block in the way of progress in the race has invariably come from within the race itself. The monkey wrench of destruction as thrown into the cog of Negro Progress is not thrown so much by the outsider as by the very fellow who is in our fold, and who should be the first to grease the wheel of progress rather than seeking to impede it. But notwithstanding the lack of sympathetic co-operation, I have one consolation — That I cannot get away from the race, and so long as I am in the race and since I have sense and judgment enough to know what affects the race affects me, it is my duty to help the race to clear itself of those things that affect us in common.

White Man's Solution for the Negro Problem in America

Immediately after the signing of the Emancipation Proclamation in America, the white man started to think how he could solve the new problem of the Negro. He saw that the Negro could not be slaughtered by wholesale killing in that it would be a blot on American civilization; he therefore had to resort to some means of solving the problem, which meant the extinction of the Negro in America. The plan he decided on was as follows:

"Now that America is undeveloped and we have but 34,000,000 in population (30,000,000 being white and 4,000,000 black) a number not large enough to develop the country as we want it, we will use the 4,000,000 blacks until we have built up the country, sufficiently and when we no longer need their labor, we will throw them off and let them starve economically and die of themselves, or emigrate elsewhere, we care not where. Then no one can accuse us of being inhuman to the Negro as we shall not have massacred him."

A hearty welcome is extended to white people from all parts of the world to come to and settle in America. They come in by the thousands every month. Why? The idea is to build up a vast white population in America, so as to make the white people independent of Negro labor; thereby depriving them of the means of livelihood, the wherewithal to buy bread, which means that in a short while they will die of starvation.

Those of us who study industrial conditions among the race must have noticed that Negroes in America have been thrown out of jobs that they occupied formerly, and their positions taken by European Immigrants
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Now if the white people have not reached the apex of their intention industrially, as far as the development of the country is concerned, and they have exhibited such a degree of prejudice since they started their plan; how much more prejudiced will they not become in the next one hundred years when their population will be doubled by emigration and birthrate? This is the problem the Negro has to face in America.


(32 Philosophy and Opinions of Marcus Garvey edited by Amy Jacques-Garvey The Journal of Pan African Studies 2009 eBook)

 
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A lot of Africans and West Indians in all those places.


OK so you're whole shtick is that you just making up lies as you go in response to me speaking facts huh? :comeon:


Lets look at the actual numbers.

Detroit

Population Size: Estimates show around 478,000 to 496,000+ Black residents within the city limits.

Approximately 46,000 West Indians live in the Detroit area.
Approximately 40,000 African immigrants live in Metro Detroit


Detroit is less than 10% west Indian and less that 10% African immigrants. That means more than 80% of the Black population are African American. :stopitslime:


Los Angeles

According to recent census estimates, there are approximately 360,000 to nearly 400,000 Black or African American residents in the city of Los Angeles

Los Angeles County has the largest Black immigrant population in California, with an estimated 73,000 to nearly 75,000 residents originating from Africa and the Caribbean.


Black immigrant population in LA is 1/5th compared to Black Americans.:camby:



Chicago

Black residents make up approximately 28%–29% of Chicago's population, with a total count of around 740,000 to 770,000


Nearly 85,000 Black immigrants reside in Illinois, with a significant concentration in the Chicago metropolitan area



A lil over 10% of Black immigrants in Chicago compared to Black Americans. :snoop:


So you basically lied as a response to me pointing out the fact that all across Black America there are schools named after Garvey, implying that each and every school is Black immigrant based. When the actual demographics debunk your made up response. Now your credibility on this topic is null and void.


But wait there is more....

Especially when I see LA is a private school with like 92 kids enrolled. The one in Detroit is African-centered education WE ARE NOT FROM AFRICA.

:sas1:

Let me point this one out and you can't just "but but but they are African/Jamaicans" your way out of this one. Check out this school in Oklahoma City






It was created in 1927 and shut down by 2014.



Now at first it was named after Garvey for decades. Now peep this. It was later changed to MLK when MLK was the big hype but by the early 2000's....they changed the name back to Marcus Garvey. :russ:

Now you would think, with all the negative comments in this thread, they would never change the name back to Garvey but they did. The article even states that they did an extensive check on Garvey and the main reason why they changed it back to his name was because of the work he put in. :sas1:





1927 is a significant year because a big argument a lot of you armchair militants like to spew is Black Immigrants weren't around like that during Jim Crow. Well here you go. 1927 when America's dominant Black population was FBA/ADOS. Now own it. :obama:




Mind you, you yourself came in here and made up false demographics about the other schools and made up a lie and said that the Black folks in NYC involved in the 2 schools named after Garvey are foreign and don't know any better but this was a school that was always "African American" dominant and the staff was "African American." They even specified it in the article which I highlighted. So you can't do the "but but but they are African/Jamaicans" on this one. :mjlol:



The fact that you responded to me with made up demographics about cities with large Black populations that were easily debunked destroys your credibility, now I can't take you serious.


In this thread, I pointed out facts:

1) There are streets and parks named after Garvey that no Black person/FBA/ADOS is protesting against.

2) I pointed out that when conscious Hip Hop was at it's peak, Garvey was well acknowledged by the rappers and none of them ever spoke negative about Garvey in contrast to the faceless and powerless individuals in this thread.

3) I pointed out that the universal pan African flag was and still is well acknowledged among Black people across the globe.

4) I pointed out the numerous schools across Black America named after Garvey.


These are all undeniable realistic facts, not opinions.:sas2:
 
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And these agents are still trying to pull the same grift.
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The Year of Return, yeah right.

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And these agents are still trying to pull the same grift.
:wow:
The Year of Return, yeah right.



Memorandum NSCM/46, U.S. Supreme Court Case No.00-9587. Black Africa and the U.S. Black Movement.




I agree, the Klan can't be trusted, but it's interesting. Let's see where this goes after all the delineation...

Yvette Carnell ran as a director and secretary at Progressives For Immigration Reform 900, Progressives For Immigration Reform, Form 990 - Nonprofit Explorer - ProPublica and Progressives For Immigration Reform - Nonprofit Explorer - ProPublica

"He corresponded with Sam G. dikkson, a Georgia lawyer for the Ku Klux Klan, who sits on the board of The Barnes Review, a magazine that, among other things, questions “the so-called Holocaust.” Dr. Tanton promoted the work of Jared Taylor, whose magazine, American Renaissance, warned: “America is an increasingly dangerous and disagreeable place because of growing numbers of blacks and Hispanics.” (To Mr. Taylor, Dr. Tanton wrote, “You are saying a lot of things that need to be said.”)".
~JASON DePARLE, APRIL 17, 2011
The Anti-Immigration Crusader


"Durant (who did not respond to requests for comment), an African American woman and a self-described progressive, is chummy with a number of Tanton-affiliated groups. She attended a workshop hosted by The Social Contract in October and has been corresponding with Peter Brimelow, the editor of VDARE, an online publication funded in part by Tanton, about writing a piece for him. VDARE is named after Virginia Dare, the first English child to be born in the colonies, and while Brimelow refutes that the magazine's views are "white nationalist," its Web site is primarily dedicated to grumbling about multiculturalism. When I asked Brimelow if he was surprised that Durant would be willing to write for him, he responded, "You mean why she's comfortable writing for a group associated with the KKK?"
~JESSICA WEISBERG, MAY 2, 2010
Guilt by Association










“These anti-racist-white-hero narratives are performances of white innocence,” Madison argues, diffusing white guilt and commodifying black and antiracist liberation struggles (1999, p. 414).”
[…]
“They are fictional characters (e.g., FBI agents Anderson and Ward in Mississippi Burning; Colesberry, Zollo, & Parker, 1988) or media constructions designed to recollect, distort, and obscure collective memories of the civil rights struggles, relieve white guilt, and appeal to white consumers (Bourgeois, 1992; Brinson, 1995; Gabriel, 1998; Gresson, 2004; Hoerl, 2009; Madison, 1999).”
[…]
“Duke's universal and color-neutral definition of racism liberates whites who feel guilty, embarrassed, or mortified about personal and cultural histories of racism.”




“In the 1980s, Klu Klux Klan leader David Duke, white supremacist Don Black and others centered conversations about replacement theory in the U.S. on immigration and the idea that immigrants will reshuffle demographics, eventually replacing white people.”



“Many of the false narratives Carlson promoted were part of the "great replacement" conspiracy theory, the racist fiction that nonwhite people are being brought into the U.S. to replace white voters.”









A hearty welcome is extended to white people from all parts of the world to come to and settle in America. They come in by the thousands every month. Why? The idea is to build up a vast white population in America, so as to make the white people independent of Negro labor; thereby depriving them of the means of livelihood, the wherewithal to buy bread, which means that in a short while they will die of starvation.

Those of us who study industrial conditions among the race must have noticed that Negroes in America have been thrown out of jobs that they occupied formerly, and their positions taken by European Immigrants.

Page 32, "White Man's Solution for the Negro Problem in America".

 
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Anyone that wants FBA to leave their land to go to a foreign country should be looked at as suspicious.
It's suspicious to think Black Americans are native to the Americas and that slavery never happened.


These people have dual passports, based on their genetic ancestry.

 
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It's suspicious to think Black Americans are native to the Americas and that slavery never happened.


These people have dual passports, based on their genetic ancestry.


You can’t be from two places at once.

I am not against dual passports. I am against dual citizenship. I am an American. Born to this country. My African lineage were taken from areas of countries that didn’t even exist at the time.
 

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You can’t be from two places at once.
Exactly, this was an interesting live. A bit lengthy but it covers a lot of different topic.



I am not against dual passports. I am against dual citizenship. I am an American. Born to this country.
Of course America (USA) is your country, your ancestors build America from the ground up.

The people with dual passports have access to many ECOWAS benefits that is granted to them by passport ownership. I don't know how settlement is with the citizenship, but I think they have been granted that as well.




My African lineage were taken from areas of countries that didn’t even exist at the time.
Yes, these countries that exist today didn't exist back then, only civilisations and people did.
 
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