Margot Kidder is the most boot mouth love interest of all time

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But it did. I mean watch an old 66 batman episode and compare it to those superman movies and you will literally see no difference in terms of production value. Hell, even Flash Gordon movie was better and they came out around the same time. You never truly hear anyone praising the first superman movie like that as some true cinematic landmark superhero movie

"Flash Gordon" came out 2 years later. And you just made my point for me.

Nobody in their right mind would sit there and say "Flash Gordon has terrible production value" because it doesn't for a 1980 movie. Compared to "Star Wars" or "Alien"? Of course. Compared to the average special effects back then? Hell no. So why single out "Superman"?

I'm 37 years old, I actually seen all these movies within a few years of their release. And no, nobody was shytting on the special effects in "Superman". Matter of fact, you're wrong about your last sentence too. "Superman" received rave reviews and is (or was) the 6th highest grossing film in history. So yeah, it was a cinematic landmark super hero movie.

Me personally I always thought it was trash, even as a kid, but you're blatantly rewriting history here.

Fred.
 

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I dont get agree with your point...i know you're trying to say they're the pinnacle of special effects of their time, but why does that exempt them from comparison? can we not compare the matrix to blade 1, because the matix is so good its beyond comparison?

Benchmarks in quality should be used as such.

It exempts them from comparison because the entire argument that "Superman" had shytty special effects is built around comparing them to two of the best examples of special effects in film history.

"Alien has better special effects and came out around the same time" =/= "Superman had terrible special effects".

And the "Blade" argument makes no sense because nobody back then said that movie had shytty effects. Or in hindsight either, relative to other movies that came out in that era.

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"Flash Gordon" came out 2 years later. And you just made my point for me.

Nobody in their right mind would sit there and say "Flash Gordon has terrible production value" because it doesn't for a 1980 movie. Compared to "Star Wars" or "Alien"? Of course. Compared to the average special effects back then? Hell no. So why single out "Superman"?

I'm 37 years old, I actually seen all these movies within a few years of their release. And no, nobody was shytting on the special effects in "Superman". Matter of fact, you're wrong about your last sentence too. "Superman" received rave reviews and is (or was) the 6th highest grossing film in history. So yeah, it was a cinematic landmark super hero movie.

Me personally I always thought it was trash, even as a kid, but you're blatantly rewriting history here.

Fred.

:mindblown: You do know Superman had much better name recognition with moviegoers than either of those movies right? It also had twice the budget. So whats the excuse for antiquated green screens, terrible acting, and costumes sets from the 50s? I think that comparing Superman to those movies are not only fair but mandatory. Those movies surpass superman in terms of quality, directing, acting, nearly all aspects of film. I am speaking from strictly fan/average viewer perspective not critics. Nobody mentions Superman ever in terms of legacy. You never see replays on AMC or it receiving special edition Its been reduced to a forgettable, long 2 hour campy bore fest in the mind of fans. I think that Superman Returns was a flop because it was shot in similar fashion to those movies. Nolan batman reboot is superior in everyway to Burton/schmuckmaker version but ppl still like those flicks. Hell, ppl even would choose shyt like Robocop or the first TMNT over it
 

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The first Superman still looks great imo. It has great fx. I still think it's the best super hero movie of all time.
 

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I still cannot fathom how anyone enjoyed those Chris Reeve Superman flicks. It looked like trash even back then. Terrible special effects. Lois Lane was nasty as fukk with her raspy voice/chain smoking. shyt was/is garbage
what a ridiculous comment, tell me which comic book superhero film in the 70's and 80's impressed you?
 
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