Mariota is overrated!

[acbjr22]

Mariota #8 in yards passing (2,998), #16 in completion percentage (64.3%), #5 in rating (101.9), #4 in TD passes (25), #16 in INTs thrown (8 INTs)
Jameis: #24 in yards passing (2,900), #24 in completion percentage (61%), #20 in rating (89.7), #7 in TD passes (22), #5 in INTs thrown (11 INTs)

Mariota is also ahead of him in Raw QBR (69.3 to 67.9) and total QBR (69 to 67)

He's literally better than him in every statistical category and has played one less game. Like I told y'all from the start, Mariota is a better QB than Jameis right now

@Supa @Dr. Narcisse y'all can go 'head and call @Big Boss brehs

1. Mariota has played a full game more than Winston lol. Winston did that in 10 games, Mariota in 11. Jameis will have more passing yards after he plays this week and possibly more TDs in an equal amount of games when Mariota is on bye
2. Completion Percentage is a meaningless stat that doesn't consider context. Carson Wentz out here throwing 15 screens a game and his completion percentage is inflated. Jameis leads the league in average pass length. Jameis has been under pressure more than Mariota and has taken less sacks and has a better rating while under pressure.
3. Winston has also played better defenses. We'll see how those stats look after he Mariota plays Denver and KC.

 

[AVXL]

1. Mariota has played a full game more than Winston lol. Winston did that in 10 games, Mariota in 11. Jameis will have more passing yards after he plays this week and possibly more TDs in an equal amount of games when Mariota is on bye
2. Completion Percentage is a meaningless stat that doesn't consider context. Carson Wentz out here throwing 15 screens a game and his completion percentage is inflated. Jameis leads the league in average pass length. Jameis has been under pressure more than Mariota and has taken less sacks and has a better rating while under pressure.
3. Winston has also played better defenses. We'll see how those stats look after he Mariota plays Denver and KC.

1. But Jameis has more INTs and a worse passer rating and QBR in less games. What's your explanation for that?

2. Oh ok I see your game. You're going to ignore stats that you can't make fit your argument. So completion percentage is meaningless and has no context yet "average pass length" (even tho Mariota has a higher yards per completion 7.93 to 7.1). Jameis is better than Mariota under pressure? Cool you got one highly contextual statistic. I got 8 that tell a different story

3. Mariota can't control who he plays breh. He plays who's on the schedule and does what he can against them. Same as Jameis. Overall for the year, Mariota has performed better than Jameis.

Let's just keep it a buck, just admit you're a Jameis fan and that you're here to defend him to the death. You best rebuttal was that a stat was meaningless yet you found one stat that supported your argument (over the 8 I posted) because it was convenient. That's a pathetic overall argument breh

 

[acbjr22]

1. But Jameis has more INTs and a worse passer rating and QBR in less games. What's your explanation for that?

2. Oh ok I see your game. You're going to ignore stats that you can't make fit your argument. So completion percentage is meaningless and has no context yet "average pass length" (even tho Mariota has a higher yards per completion 7.93 to 7.1). Jameis is better than Mariota under pressure? Cool you got one highly contextual statistic. I got 8 that tell a different story

3. Mariota can't control who he plays breh. He plays who's on the schedule and does what he can against them. Same as Jameis. Overall for the year, Mariota has performed better than Jameis.

Let's just keep it a buck, just admit you're a Jameis fan and that you're here to defend him to the death. You best rebuttal was that a stat was meaningless yet you found one stat that supported your argument (over the 8 I posted) because it was convenient. That's a pathetic overall argument breh

1. Did you not hear me say that Jameis has been under pressure more although he has been sacked less and that on average he attempts the most difficult passes because of his coach's offensive philosophy? Of course he has more ints, he's asked to do more and has had less help with his running game.

Also just saying someone has more ints means nothing without context. Do you know how many ints were his fault? How many ints that were the result of dropped passes or running the wrong route? Stop citing stats without context. Are you a geek or something?


2. Jameis plays in an offense that centers around downfield passing. Mariota plays in a passing game that centers around the intermediate passing game and relies on receivers to get YAC.


3. I disagree with you nikka! What you are stating is an opinion, it's not a fact

 

[AVXL]

1. Did you not hear me say that Jameis has been under pressure more although he has been sacked less and that on average he attempts the most difficult passes because of his coach's offensive philosophy? Of course he has more ints, he's asked to do more and has had less help with his running game.

Also just saying someone has more ints means nothing without context. Do you know how many ints were his fault? How many ints that were the result of dropped passes or running the wrong route? Stop citing stats without context. Are you a geek or something?


2. Jameis plays in an offense that centers around downfield passing. Mariota plays in a passing game that centers around the intermediate passing game and relies on receivers to get YAC.


3. I disagree with you nikka! What you are stating is an opinion, it's not a fact

The statistics I posted are facts Just because you don't like them don't mean they aren't true. And based on your reasoning, you could always find a reason to make the case that Jameis is playing better because your ignoring statistics because they don't fit YOUR argument.

Look breh you're making excuses and trying to explain why Jameis numbers aren't as good as Mariota's by posting your OPINION on the context. Mariota has better numbers than Jameis breh just accept it.

 

[Trip]

1. Did you not hear me say that Jameis has been under pressure more although he has been sacked less and that on average he attempts the most difficult passes because of his coach's offensive philosophy? Of course he has more ints, he's asked to do more and has had less help with his running game.

Also just saying someone has more ints means nothing without context. Do you know how many ints were his fault? How many ints that were the result of dropped passes or running the wrong route? Stop citing stats without context. Are you a geek or something?


2. Jameis plays in an offense that centers around downfield passing. Mariota plays in a passing game that centers around the intermediate passing game and relies on receivers to get YAC.


3. I disagree with you nikka! What you are stating is an opinion, it's not a fact

Mariota has a higher adjusted YPA.

 

[acbjr22]

The statistics I posted are facts Just because you don't like them don't mean they aren't true. And based on your reasoning, you could always find a reason to make the case that Jameis is playing better because your ignoring statistics because they don't fit YOUR argument.

Look breh you're making excuses and trying to explain why Jameis numbers aren't as good as Mariota's by posting your OPINION on the context. Mariota has better numbers than Jameis breh just accept it.

Stats should never be looked at in a vacuum. Statistics always come with an explanation; they are always accompanied by a thesis or research that explains what the statistics mean. Statistics are meant to be contextualized and analyzed. You suggesting anything else is fukkin retarded!

 

[J Money]

I really don't get what people are arguing about, it's impossible at this stage to put one over the other. They're both two of the best QBs to come out of the draft for a while and two franchise QBsz just enjoy the ride

 

[AVXL]

Stats should never be looked at in a vacuum. Statistics always come with an explanation; they are always accompanied by a thesis or research that explains what the statistics mean. Statistics are meant to be contextualized and analyzed. You suggesting anything else is fukkin retarded!

Mariota has better statistics than Jameis across the board. He actually has better stats than him in every passing category

Mariota has less INTs than him in fewer games

Mariota has a better completion percentage, better passer rating, better QBR, more yards passing, more TDs than Jameis. The explanation is that Mariota has played the position better than Jameis this year, the numbers bear that out.

Why can't you accept that Mariota is having a better season than Jameis?

 

[Brozay]

my QB is Jay Cutler and yall splitting hairs between who's better between two young franchise QBs



why we always pitting players vs each other anyways, they are both really good and really young, I just saw them both back to back weeks and was equally impressed

 

[AVXL]

I really don't get what people are arguing about, it's impossible at this stage to put one over the other. They're both two of the best QBs to come out of the draft for a while and two franchise QBsz just enjoy the ride

my QB is Jay Cutler and yall splitting hairs between who's better between two young franchise QBs



why we always pitting players vs each other anyways, they are both really good and really young, I just saw them both back to back weeks and was equally impressed

Brehs we have a damn 100 plus thread on Julius Randle vs. Jabari Parker. It's ok to ask the question of which 2nd year QB is better at this point in their careers without making it a final assessment of their careers.

Y'all act like we don't compare players of all sports all the time

 

[Champ_KW]

Mariota #8 in yards passing (2,998), #16 in completion percentage (64.3%), #5 in rating (101.9), #4 in TD passes (25), #16 in INTs thrown (8 INTs)
Jameis: #24 in yards passing (2,900), #24 in completion percentage (61%), #20 in rating (89.7), #7 in TD passes (22), #5 in INTs thrown (11 INTs)

Mariota is also ahead of him in Raw QBR (69.3 to 67.9) and total QBR (69 to 67)

He's literally better than him in every statistical category and has played one less game. Like I told y'all from the start, Mariota is a better QB than Jameis right now

@Supa @Dr. Narcisse y'all can go 'head and call @Big Boss brehs

Do you see how flawed your mode of thinking is? So, after Sunday, when Jameis throws for 99 yards, that would all of a sudden give him a boost in the argument?

Being a QB is more than just stats. You act like one is performing like Drew Brees and the other is Osweiller. They're literally 98 yards, 3 tds, and 3 ints apart. There's a lot more nuance that goes into a QB's performance. Marcus has played an inferior schedule and still doesn't have a 3 game win streak. Barely beat the damn Browns and was multiple drops away from getting outplayed and beat by Matt Barkley and the Bears. I'd take wins over the Falcons, Chiefs, and Seahawks....you can have your 98 yards

 

[AVXL]

Do you see how flawed your mode of thinking is? So, after Sunday, when Jameis throws for 99 yards, that would all of a sudden give him a boost in the argument?

Being a QB is more than just stats. You act like one is performing like Drew Brees and the other is Osweiller. They're literally 98 yards, 3 tds, and 3 ints apart. There's a lot more nuance that goes into a QB's performance. Marcus has played an inferior schedule and still doesn't have a 3 game win streak. Barely beat the damn Browns and was multiple drops away from getting outplayed and beat by Matt Barkley and the Bears. I'd take wins over the Falcons, Chiefs, and Seahawks....you can have your 98 yards

So Mariota having a better completion percentage, better QB rating and fewer INTs invalidates the comparison? As I explained Mariota is outperfoming Jameis in several different categories, that's why my point is valid that he's outplayed him as a QB this yr

And why does Mariota have to apologize for the schedule he's played? He's playing the position better than Jameis and has the stats to prove it

 

[Champ_KW]

So Mariota having a better completion percentage, better QB rating and fewer INTs invalidates the comparison? As I explained Mariota is outperfoming Jameis in several different categories, that's why my point is valid that he's outplayed him as a QB this yr

And why does Mariota have to apologize for the schedule he's played? He's playing the position better than Jameis and has the stats to prove it

So you get the gist of it then? Marcus W-L comes with nuance, but Jameis stats doesnt? Like I said, you can have the 98 extra yards against the likes of the Browns, Jaguars, and Colts....I'll take the Ws against the Chiefs, Falcons, and Seahawks.

 

[AVXL]

So you get the gist of it then? Marcus W-L comes with nuance, but Jameis stats doesnt? Like I said, you can have the 98 extra yards against the likes of the Browns, Jaguars, and Colts....I'll take the Ws against the Chiefs, Falcons, and Seahawks.

Both come with nuance, but Mariota has statistically outperformed Jameis this season in several different categories. That's not up for debate

 

[NYC Rebel]

Mariota has a higher adjusted YPA.

Yet Jamies leads the NFL in yards in the air per attempt.

His offense calls for him to throw it longer.