Martin Scorsese Says ‘Fight Back’ Against Comic Book Movie Culture by Supporting Directors Like Christopher Nolan: ‘We’ve Got to Save Cinema’

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:yeshrug:comic book fans do the exact same thing. Fantasy and Sci-Fi people as well.
we're under no obligation to see scorsese films as any better than any other film. If he wants a larger audience he needs to cater to the audience tastes.
not lecture them into accepting his tastes.
I learned this as a chef, you can act like you know more about food than your clientele but ultimately you gotta give them what they want or they will find another place to eat. I told people all the time well done is an inferior way to eat steak, but if they want it well done, they want it well done.
I can critique their tastes all i want. but ultimately their taste matters more than my singular opinion.
 

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we're under no obligation to see scorsese films as any better than any other film. If he wants a larger audience he needs to cater to the audience tastes.
not lecture them into accepting his tastes.
I learned this as a chef, you can act like you know more about food than your clientele but ultimately you gotta give them what they want or they will find another place to eat. I told people all the time well done is an inferior way to eat steak, but if they want it well done, they want it well done.
I can critique their tastes all i want. but ultimately their taste is all that matters

bro it ain't about the audience.

The old fart doesn't rock with comic books, says they're a glutton to the industry, I get it, but don't entirely agree.

But guess what?

Aquaman still gonna come out. The Spiderman 2 Spiderverse still gonna come out and as usual, be better than every other comic related IP.
 

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I learned this as a chef, you can act like you know more about food than your clientele but ultimately you gotta give them what they want or they will find another place to eat. I told people all the time well down is an inferior way to eat steak, but it they want it well done, they want it well done
This is narrow sighted, you'd prolly make a decent figurehead executive because this is the mindset of a company man who just keeps the business on a treadmill. You wouldn't be able to actually start anything new from the ground up forreal and be at the forefront of a movement.

People are gonna ask for what they already know, until you INTRODUCE them to the new thing. People don't know what they want until you give it to them, then they just repeat it until you put em onto something else new

With your logic even the comic book movies would've never popped off to begin with :ufdup: they had to take a risk with ironman and see if it worked, it's not like ironman was a wildly popular character over X-Men/spiderman/batman. Even getting RDJ to take that role was a risk, he wasn't a Megastar that everyone adored yet.

They had to figure out that the market for nostalgia basically prints money. Now we're just in that loop of repeating the same trick until a new wave appears.


Scorsese is right, I saw it myself in person when I worked on a comic book movie, no one really gets to be creative, you're just copying whatever was already in the comics and sprinkling current pop culture trends on top of it, it's a nostalgic circlejerk and extremely boring for everyone involved in the process (obviously they can't really say that publicly alot or they lose out on work/money)

Even as a moviegoer, I'm gonna watch some shyt like The Prestige before the Avengers because there's way more mystery about that story vs some shyt that's already been out for ages in comic form.

If you let your current work be dictated by the taste of the lowest common denominator, yea you gonna make your money, but history/legacy of your craft is gonna be a joke forreal and everyone isn't fine with that, so they gonna push the envelope


shyt we wouldn't even have social media with your logic breh :mjlol: "just give people what they already know" maaaaaan don't put a cap on your career like that if you are a creative
 
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most marvel movies are transformer status... Idk why Marvel stans are so deluded.
They ride or die for these movies like they made them
I cant blame them tho, most of them only watch movies with that marvel stamp on them

If you only eat shyt you have no idea what honey tastes like
 

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This is narrow sighted, you'd prolly make a decent figurehead executive because this is the mindset of a company man who just keeps the business on a treadmill. You wouldn't be able to actually start anything new from the ground up forreal and be at the forefront of a movement.

People are gonna ask for what they already know, until you INTRODUCE them to the new thing. People don't know what they want until you give it to them, then they just repeat it until you put em onto something else new

With your logic even the comic book movies would've never popped off to begin with :ufdup: they had to take a risk with ironman and see if it worked, it's not like ironman was a wildly popular character over X-Men/spiderman/batman. Even getting RDJ to take that role was a risk, he wasn't a Megastar that everyone adored yet.

They had to figure out that the market for nostalgia basically prints money. Now we're just in that loop of repeating the same trick until a new wave appears.


Scorsese is right, I saw it myself in person when I worked on a comic book movie, no one really gets to be creative, you're just copying whatever was already in the comics and sprinkling current pop culture trends on top of it, it's a nostalgic circlejerk and extremely boring for everyone involved in the process (obviously they can't really say that publicly alot or they lose out on work/money)

Even as a moviegoer, I'm gonna watch some shyt like The Prestige before the Avengers because there's way more mystery about that story vs some shyt that's already been out for ages in comic form.

If you let your current work be dictated by the taste of the lowest common denominator, yea you gonna make your money, but history/legacy of your craft is gonna be a joke forreal and everyone isn't fine with that, so they gonna push the envelope


shyt we wouldn't even have social media with your logic breh :mjlol: "just give people what they already know" maaaaaan don't put a cap on your career like that if you are a creative
nikka @Luke Cage got ripped to pieces :picard::pachaha:
 

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I agree up to a point. The scope of human experiences is brought down to a children's level of understanding with these superhero movies(Watchmen would be the rare case where they at least tried). Because these movies were so popular it had an negative effect on the budgets, possibility and motivation to make more "mature" themed movies. I myself,as a former comic geek feel that the genre as far as movies goes has to evolve but the pandering to the 0,1-0,5% is killing the creativity and leaving the real fans at home. Maybe it's time to let this version of the superhero movies die so they can go back to the drawing board.
 

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People like what they like..
Its like saying all the new rappers are trash so we need to support Nas and Jay harder..

Scorsese hardly ever has any Black characters in his movies anyway..Marvel at least has employed more Brehs despite his complaints.
 

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nikka @Luke Cage got ripped to pieces :picard::pachaha:
My argument actually made more sense than his retort. Ultimately the audience wants what it wants. That poster and Scorsese could make the same points about horror flicks but there is still a large audience for them. Directors and Actors can feel better about themselves by making art house films that win awards and get accolades, but art house films never fill up theaters, Its just a practice in self congratulatory work ultimately. Then turn around complain that audiences don't watch your stuff as much as the other stuff is just pitiful.
 
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Hollywood now, is even more about getting the quick dollar than burning a dollar for legit movies

Majority of these executives don’t mind spending 100 to 200 million to make bat man 9 because they know the audience is going to bring in 900 million

They not really going to take they time today and create a goodfellas and spend 50 million dollars and see they return of only 90 million because the audience mindset today isnt really on classic in depth films especially for movie theaters
 

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I agree with the GOAT filmmaker Scorsese. And the only Mafia-related movies Scorsese made was Mean Streets, Goodfellas, Casino, The Departed and The Irishman. Last Temptation of Christ, Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, NY NY, The King of Comedy (which that Joker movie was heavily influenced by), The Aviator, Cape Feare, etc. are NOT mafia movies :mjlol:
 
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