Max Kellerman: "Kobe's metrics don't support him being top 10"

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Kobe’s career post Shaq was dominant.

2 championships
2 scoring titiles
2 fmvps
1 mvp
20 + 50 point games.

If you don’t think this is dominant and top 10 worthy you’re fooling yourselves. And pretty much all of that was done in a 5 year period.

 

[10bandz]

OP HAS POSTED 3 THREADS OF PEOPLE SHIITIN KOBE / PROPPING LEBRON IN THE LAST THEEE DAYS...

THOSE 3 = BOMANI JONES, MAX KELLERMAN, AND BILL SIMMONS



MEANWHILE...




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the way nikkas insist on ignoring the opinions of actual players never gets old

 

[10bandz]

Kobe’s career post Shaq was dominant.

2 championships
2 scoring titiles
2 fmvps
1 mvp
20 + 50 point games.

If you don’t think this is dominant and top 10 worthy you’re fooling yourselves. And pretty much all of that was done in a 5 year period.

they say Kobe wasn't dominant cuz he didn't have a 50% FG or something

imagine being on the computer saying Kobe wasn't dominant while opposing coaches and players were in constant desperation to stop him.

This nikka Bron played an entire Game 7 against the Spurs with 10 feet of room for every shot. This nikka Bron has been neutralized by opposing coaches by putting Jason Terry, Barea, and Pat Beverly on him. shyt coaches would never try on Kobe. This nikka Bron played against shytty eastern conference teams while Kobe went through gauntlets.

Anyone saying Bron was more "dominant" than Kobe is just a stat nerd. Literally nobody who guarded both guys say this kind've shyt.

 

[cleanface coney]

Lol i was talking to a lady this morning in the grocery line she told me while she was having a baby her husband and the doctor was watching the 2010 finals so they named her son kobe

 

[BigTyme Records]

they say Kobe wasn't dominant cuz he didn't have a 50% FG or something

imagine being on the computer saying Kobe wasn't dominant while opposing coaches and players were in constant desperation to stop him.

This nikka Bron played an entire Game 7 against the Spurs with 10 feet of room for every shot. This nikka Bron has been neutralized by opposing coaches by putting Jason Terry, Barea, and Pat Beverly on him. shyt coaches would never try on Kobe. This nikka Bron played against shytty eastern conference teams while Kobe went through gauntlets.

Anyone saying Bron was more "dominant" than Kobe is just a stat nerd. Literally nobody who guarded both guys say this kind've shyt.

Jason Terry vs Heat 18ppg 48FG% won in 6 games


Jason Terry vs Lakers with Kobe guarding him 20ppg on 59% FG in a 4 game sweep


Jason Terry did better vs Kobe

 

[cleanface coney]

Tmac iverson vince ginobli dwade melo bron the list goes on we we battled em all. Them elementary middle school lunches i used to shut nikkas down them smoke sessions made nikkas kill all that shyt...respect the goat if you wasnt there you wasnt there nikkas talkin bout stats....go on the court right now and hit a sweet shyt nikkas yellin kobe nobody else true ball god

 

[Bigblackted4]

Everybody knows this you only rank him top 10 if you rate new eras over old ones and rings and big moments. Even when people talk about MJ is the goat it’s not just the rings game to game in his prime he was statiscally the best too. They had to make up new stats to try and prove Bron was better and MJ still better.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Kobe best years he didn't win shyt. He won playing with prime shaq. The duration he was avg that 28-30 he wasn't winning shyt but missing the playoffs and a first round exit. Don't try and lump those stats with 5 rings. Demar would have won those rings.

Metta FMVP stolen

9x all defense was given due to the fact there was nobody else to give it too

You can't be in the top 10 with only 1 MVP. That doesn't add up for ANY SPORT PERIOD!

And wtf was prime shaq doing before Kobe because he wasn’t winning shyt either





I really don’t got nothing else to say about the topic. Max just trying to go the opposite of what Smith says. His opinion outside of boxing is usually ass. Cats on this board are delusional and the fact that any dude would put Lebron in the top 10 but not Kobe just tells me everything i need to know about them...

Kobe had the Garden calling him MVP... nikka had other ARENAS giving him farewell tours, chanting MVP, etc.

Bron got fans in his own arena chanting Kobes name

But regardless, everyone knows he’s the closest thing to MJ. Anyone who disagrees just supports p*ssy behavior imo

 

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they say Kobe wasn't dominant cuz he didn't have a 50% FG or something

imagine being on the computer saying Kobe wasn't dominant while opposing coaches and players were in constant desperation to stop him.

This nikka Bron played an entire Game 7 against the Spurs with 10 feet of room for every shot. This nikka Bron has been neutralized by opposing coaches by putting Jason Terry, Barea, and Pat Beverly on him. shyt coaches would never try on Kobe. This nikka Bron played against shytty eastern conference teams while Kobe went through gauntlets.

Anyone saying Bron was more "dominant" than Kobe is just a stat nerd. Literally nobody who guarded both guys say this kind've shyt.

Terry and Barea were not primary defenders on LeBron. I know it's funny to talk about that one possession Barea defended LeBron but that's not what happened in the series. The Mavs had a gameplan they zoned LeBron heavily and threw multiple looks at him mostly Kidd/Marion/Stevenson, the Heat didn't have shooters around LeBron who was going through a shooting slump himself and his postgame wasn't where it needed to be which is why he struggled in the series. LeBron and Kobe are different players with different strengths and weaknesses which require different gameplans which is why the '04 Pistons had Kobe held to 22/3/4 on 38% shooting by baiting him into chucking over length and double teams.

Also, my nikka we're comparing him to the greatest to play the game...

In a vacuum yes Kobe was dominant. In totality was he Hakeem in '94 dominant? Was he Shaq in '00 dominant? Was he Bird in '86 dominant? Was he Jordan in '91 dominant? Was he LeBron in '12 dominant? Was he Duncan in '03 dominant? No, he wasn't at any point. This is what you Kobe stans don't understand, it is not an insult to Kobe he was just never on that level as a singular force through a playoff run.

 

[calh45]

Y'all do realize his job is to say shyt to make y'all pay attention, right?

He's a troll. Don't feed the trolls and you'd be surprised at how quickly they'll adjust.

 

[Rayzah]

Delete

 

[RammerJammer]

the way nikkas insist on ignoring the opinions of actual players never gets old

Literally only cac stat nerds shyt on Kobe, this anti-Kobe agenda been in full force since he retired.

 

[Rayzah]

Terry and Barea were not primary defenders on LeBron. I know it's funny to talk about that one possession Barea defended LeBron but that's not what happened in the series. The Mavs had a gameplan they zoned LeBron heavily and threw multiple looks at him mostly Kidd/Marion/Stevenson, the Heat didn't have shooters around LeBron who was going through a shooting slump himself and his postgame wasn't where it needed to be which is why he struggled in the series. LeBron and Kobe are different players with different strengths and weaknesses which require different gameplans which is why the '04 Pistons had Kobe held to 22/3/4 on 38% shooting by baiting him into chucking over length and double teams.

Also, my nikka we're comparing him to the greatest to play the game...

In a vacuum yes Kobe was dominant. In the playoffs was he Hakeem in '94 dominant? Was he Shaq in '00 dominant? Was he Jordan in '91 dominant? Was he LeBron in '12 dominant? Was he Duncan in '03 dominant? No, he wasn't at any point. This is what you Kobe stans don't understand, it is not an insult to Kobe he was just never on that level as a singular force through a playoff run.

More lies,

1st he didnt have to be in 00, 01, 02 why? because shaq
2nd he lit Tim duncans spurs up in twice in the playoffs during that run
3rd if you really think anyone on his team outplayed him during either playoff run in 08, 09 or 10 you are crazy
4th Bron was in the league in 10' and his team was the favorite in a weak east and what happened? bron choked against orlando.. but there is no stat for shrinking or choking so that gets overlooked..

 

[Bilz]

Max just trying to go the opposite of what Smith says. His opinion outside of boxing is usually ass.

Going opposite of whatever Stephen A Smith says is a very good path to the truth

 

[Rayzah]

Literally only cac stat nerds shyt on Kobe, this anti-Kobe agenda been in full force since he retired.

people wait until athletes cant defend themselves anymore to start the bullshyt.

If you said this type of stuff in 05 you would get laughed out the room. we need to be more respectful to these legends, they only had to be better than their competition, these stat nerds literally have these guys chasing ghost and everyone to get on board with their theories. If your argument consist of shaq carried him or he had 1 or two bad playoff games then you need to go sitdown somewhere

Idk why people take Kobe being fringe top 10 or just outside of it as an insult. That still makes him an all-time great

If we just say only the modern era then Kobe would be top 10 for sure. But that would take out the ancients that have stature over him

Because its ridiculous especially if you think bron is 1 or 2, put it this ways whoever is 9 players ahead ok kobe 8 of them would take kobe over bron.

arguing the top 3 is subjective but putting kobe at 9 while bron is 1-2 is just either hate or you too young to have seen kobe play live.