Max Kellerman: "LeBron created a Superteam with Miami. KD just raised him one"

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I definitely understand what u saying. But he coulda stayed and waited the Celtics out also. By the time he was 26 them nikkaz was pretty much all but done. Dirk showed the world that they didn’t need a team of super stars to win it all. They need the correct key players and solid leader.

Wit that said I’m not mad bron or kd
Also, let's not assume Bron would have won anything waiting them out. Besides his lack of help, he needed a mentality. Lebron has said he developed his mentality under Wade and Pat's tutelage. He's stated that he learned the blueprint on a championship level team and mentality right here with the Heat. :sas1:
 

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I definitely understand what u saying. But he coulda stayed and waited the Celtics out also. By the time he was 26 them nikkaz was pretty much all but done. Dirk showed the world that they didn’t need a team of super stars to win it all. They need the correct key players and solid leader.

Wit that said I’m not mad bron or kd
Also, let's not assume Bron would have won anything waiting them out. Besides his lack of help, he needed a mentality. Lebron has said he developed his mentality under Wade and Pat's tutelage. He's stated that he learned the blueprint on a championship level team and mentality right here with the Heat. :sas1:
This sounds good in theory, but there still would have been Miami, Chicago, and Indiana to deal with in the east, not to mention the thunder or spurs in the finals. Their centers would’ve been 36 year old big Z and 39 year old Shaq. Jamison was no impact player at power forward on either end of the floor, Mo had proven himself to be a 7th or 8th man at best on a championship team, they were short on cap space, and had just hired Byron Scott as head coach (keep in mind he hasn’t been to the playoffs since before 2010). Help was never going to arrive in Cleveland. At some point, someone else would have had to raise their game, and they had nobody capable of it or the means to acquire someone who could. Miami was the only feasibly option.
 

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Danny ainge started it, when he added ray allen and KG to the celtics. bron joined the heat when they wear no where championship contention, they did not make the finals or the conference finals the year before. Durant went to a team one game away from back to back championships who won 73games

I came in here to say this.

They need to miss us with that prime shyt too. Why waste your prime when hall of famers are creating superteams.
 

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"bu bu bu he would have more rings if it wasn't for Durant going to the warriors"

Durant would have never made that weak beta move if Bron didn't make the weak beta move of linking up with other superstars in their prime in Miami. Durant just took LeBron tactics to an extreme level.

NBA players only linked up with other starts when they were past their prime and desperate for a ring or got traded. LeBron opened the flood gates and hurt his own legacy. Be careful what you wish for. His lack of patience to win rings cost him rings on the backend.
playoffs came and went
no one cares about the warriors trophy moving on to next season
 

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I definitely understand what u saying. But he coulda stayed and waited the Celtics out also. By the time he was 26 them nikkaz was pretty much all but done. Dirk showed the world that they didn’t need a team of super stars to win it all. They need the correct key players and solid leader.

Wit that said I’m not mad bron or kd
Dirk was as one dimensional as always. He didn't have to give any extra defensively on that Mavs team. They did a good job allowing him to be a offense only superstar during that run.

This did it without a star angle comes off as if he was Hakeem who did it on both ends. Nope...
 

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At one point this man said the 08 Celtics were all old and LeBron was in his prime

And then compared that challenge to the Warriors, who are all in their prime, vs older LeBron

Kobe fans y’all
 

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The record of the heat prior to him going there doesn’t mean shyt:mjlol: it’s was a totally different team going forward
Exactly. KD joined a team that already reached the ultimate level of success with their roster. They won the title in 2015, broke the single season record in 2016, and were a game 7 away from being back to back champs. They would have been the favorites the following season without KD.

Bron and Bosh joined Wade to create a team. Miami did not reach the finals two seasons in a row without Bron and wouldn’t have been in position to reach the finals in the foreseeable future without Bron.
 

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Dirk was as one dimensional as always. He didn't have to give any extra defensively on that Mavs team. They did a good job allowing him to be a offense only superstar during that run.

This did it without a star angle comes off as if he was Hakeem who did it on both ends. Nope...
They did it without a star mean they did it without another star. Dirk wasn’t getting killed on defense that year by anybody.

Aldridge, gasol, bosh or whoever he was checking didn’t dominate him on the offensive end and he totally dominated them when he got on offense.

If Hakeem didn’t have shooters around him he would have won loss also, before that time mavs always built the team around offense, they built it around defense and put dirk in a position to win where they were able to hide his flaws.

Plus he had taken his game to into level probably never to be seen by a non back to the basket scorer

If kidd was on the Cavs we would be saying he was trash and old and washed up, dirk took the pressure off kidd and the other offensive players and they took pressure off his defense

Like I said the correct the pieces was needed to win, not the best 2 sg, best of in league.

A team of solid role players and one superstar who had to go crazy beat multiple team with 2 stars

Roy and Aldridge
Kobe, gasol(defending champs)
Durant, west and harden(who went to the finals the next year
Bron, wade and bosh
 
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The way you idiots treated Barkley and tmac and everyone who didn't get a ring is why it's hard. The dumb fans are to blame. It doesn't take an idiot to realize only 1 team can win a year. We should team up so we don't lose respect post NBA.
You just made this talking point up. How differently should cats like Barkley and tmac be treated in comparison to how they are now? They’re both recognized as being great players who just never won a ring. What’s the issue with that?

You people are much too simple with your thinking. Rings are not the end all be all. Any accurate analysis takes everything into account while putting everything in it’s proper context. Look at Durant. Is he all of a sudden getting more respect now that he’s a back to back champion and finals mvp? I don’t see it.

Barkley and tmac aren’t treated unfairly by fans just because they don’t have rings.
 

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They still had a couple Finals runs left; 2011 and 2012 showed they still had gas in the tank and if not for Lebron on the Heat, they probably make the Finals 2 more times.
Boston was still a superteam that got their run prematurely ended by a younger superteam.

I agree. Guess this means Kobe beat the first Superteam :sas2: Boston was the stronger squad looking back seeing as they were still causing damage in 2011 and 2012 whereas LA deteriorated.
 

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This sounds good in theory, but there still would have been Miami, Chicago, and Indiana to deal with in the east, not to mention the thunder or spurs in the finals. Their centers would’ve been 36 year old big Z and 39 year old Shaq. Jamison was no impact player at power forward on either end of the floor, Mo had proven himself to be a 7th or 8th man at best on a championship team, they were short on cap space, and had just hired Byron Scott as head coach (keep in mind he hasn’t been to the playoffs since before 2010). Help was never going to arrive in Cleveland. At some point, someone else would have had to raise their game, and they had nobody capable of it or the means to acquire someone who could. Miami was the only feasibly option.

Chicago was the best option big three plus Rose and their bench four-peat average 70 wins a season
 

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Chicago was the best option big three plus Rose and their bench four-peat average 70 wins a season
:deadrose: Likely still happens either way with the strain his playing style put on his legs, and then it’s basically back to square one. These warriors just averaged 66 wins per season over the last 4. That’s the best mark any team has ever put together in a 4 year span, but the bulls you’ve laid out in this hypothetical are supposed to smash that mark?
 

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:deadrose: Likely still happens either way with the strain his playing style put on his legs, and then it’s basically back to square one. These warriors just averaged 66 wins per season over the last 4. That’s the best mark any team has ever put together in a 4 year span, but the bulls you’ve laid out in this hypothetical are supposed to smash that mark?

PG: Rose
SG:Wade
SF:Bron
PF:Bosh
C: Noah

with a bench of
Taj
Deng
Korver
CJ Watson
Ronnie Brewer
and some Miami cats
And bald seven foot cav cac
 
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