Max Kellerman murdered Mayweather again without even saying his name
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Maybe so. Maybe not.
But that's not really the gist of the thread.
Caping clowns in this thread are acting like people are trying to slam Floyd's abilities as a fighter.
Absolutely not.
He was incredible.
The issue is whether he fought the best in their primes. The point Max Kellerman alluded to was Sugar Ray being on top and fighting every possible challenger worth his salt.
How can anyone really argue that Floyd demolishing a tough but clearly inferior Maidana and a very good Canelo is the same as fighting Tommy Hearns and Roberto Duran? Or a prime Trinidad and Mosley. I mean really? That's par for some of you guys?
MustafaSTL
Achievement In Every Field of Human Endeavor
Who could Floyd have fought to make his resume that much more on par with the resumes of Sugar Ray and Oscar as you're alluding to? Please don't say Margarito would have made a difference. Floyd fought Corrales, Cotto, Shane (after KO's Margarito, and admittedly did not want to fight Floyd years earlier....because of a toothache), Zab (still in his prime), Castillo (twice), Marquez (yeah he was bigger, but not bigger than GGG is over Floyd, yet people say that shouldn't be an excuse for Floyd), undefeated Canelo, etc. What HOF fighter did he not fight during his reign from his time at 130 to 147?
Goatpoacher
Superstar
How you gonna lose an argument to an official WOAT? I mean... lose badly... like 92 dream team vs. East ButFukkistan badly.
Since you bring it up, Floyd fighting Margarito and Paul would have been great.
The point is NOT that Floyd would have lost to them.
The point is that those were highly notable quality fighters at the time who did not get an opportunity.
You understand this fundamental point, right?
Tide Run This
Veteran
AlbertPullhoez
The Takeover
And no SRL never fought every challenger
Never gave Aaron Pryor a fight, didnt want Donald Curry problems, waited forever to rematch Tommy Hearns (and when he did he lost), ducked Hagler and waited until Hagler had more wear & tear before fighting him (while asking for a 12 rounder and bigger ring)
You can nitpick any fighter the way you doing Floyd breh
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Jesus Christ.
Fine. Floyd's competition was the greatest ever.
Nobody fought better fighters...
Mosley moved straight up to welterweight in 99 in order to pursue a fight with De La Hoya. Can't really blame him there as De La Hoya was the big money fight, not Floyd, but that small window between 98-99 was the only time they could have fought until around 06-07 (and by that point Mosley was past his prime anyway).
A Trinidad fight was never a real possibility as he had moved all the way up to middleweight by 01 while Floyd was still at super feather.
Mayweather cleaned out 130 and beat the main man at 135 in Castillo. The only name fighter you'd have a case of Floyd not fighting at either weight was Joel Casamayor, who was too busy going back and forth with Corrales (at 130 three or four years after he fought Floyd). I really hope no one brings up that sparring video with Paul Spadafora as evidence that Mayweather ducked him.
Floyd moved up to 140 to pursue a fight with Kostya Tszyu but Tszyu got his ass beat by Ricky Hatton before Mayweather could get to him. Then he moved up to 147 to face Zab Judah and Judah in his tune up fight ended up getting embarrased by no name Baldomir.
Now here's where Margarito came in the picture. Arum and Top Rank started this campaign that Margarito was the most feared fighter at welterweight in order to make him a big name, and people fell for the bait by assuming Floyd was afraid of him when he chose to face Judah and Baldomir instead. If Floyd did fight and beat Margarito at the time though no one would give him credit because Margarito's resume was actually very thin. People would instead say that Floyd didn't go after the lineal champion in Baldomir after Baldomir beat Judah.
No one brings up Margarito literally being forced to fight Paul Williams after he and Top Rank tried to go straight for a fight with Cotto. Williams and his team had to threaten legal action in order for Margarito to fight him, so who really was the most feared fighter at welterweight?
06-07 was the only time for Mayweather to realistically face De La Hoya as that was when both were in the same weight range (147-154). Then Hatton was spewing off at the mouth saying Mayweather was afraid of him, so Floyd ducked Hatton's head into a ring post with a check hook to shut his ass up. Hatton literally fell into a depression afterward.
Cotto was being groomed as the superfight for Floyd and would've been after 07, but Cotto of course got wrecked by Margarito. Margarito then got exposed as a cheater before getting knocked the fukk out himself by an old ass Mosley.
Pacquiao wasn't even a possibility until around 08, and as another poster has said Mayweather wanted the fight with Pacquiao in 09 but Manny refused to do a drug test.
I fail to see who else Floyd was supposed to fight from his generation. He eventually did face most of the guys he supposedly ducked as quickly as he could, and he really had nothing else to prove after 07. The only thing that kept him going was the possiblity of a fight with Pacquiao. Guys like Maidana, Canelo and GGG are a different generation of fighters that Floyd didn't have to mess with at all. Hell Canelo's 13 years younger as well as bigger and stronger yet Floyd still took him on and beat him.
Look no fighter on earth has a resume that can't be nitpicked. There's always someone else that a fighter should have supposedly faced, or fought at a certain time. Floyd is no exception, but I believe he made the most out of his boxing career given the time and circumstances.
A Trinidad fight was never a real possibility as he had moved all the way up to middleweight by 01 while Floyd was still at super feather.
Mayweather cleaned out 130 and beat the main man at 135 in Castillo. The only name fighter you'd have a case of Floyd not fighting at either weight was Joel Casamayor, who was too busy going back and forth with Corrales (at 130 three or four years after he fought Floyd). I really hope no one brings up that sparring video with Paul Spadafora as evidence that Mayweather ducked him.
Floyd moved up to 140 to pursue a fight with Kostya Tszyu but Tszyu got his ass beat by Ricky Hatton before Mayweather could get to him. Then he moved up to 147 to face Zab Judah and Judah in his tune up fight ended up getting embarrased by no name Baldomir.
Now here's where Margarito came in the picture. Arum and Top Rank started this campaign that Margarito was the most feared fighter at welterweight in order to make him a big name, and people fell for the bait by assuming Floyd was afraid of him when he chose to face Judah and Baldomir instead. If Floyd did fight and beat Margarito at the time though no one would give him credit because Margarito's resume was actually very thin. People would instead say that Floyd didn't go after the lineal champion in Baldomir after Baldomir beat Judah.
No one brings up Margarito literally being forced to fight Paul Williams after he and Top Rank tried to go straight for a fight with Cotto. Williams and his team had to threaten legal action in order for Margarito to fight him, so who really was the most feared fighter at welterweight?
06-07 was the only time for Mayweather to realistically face De La Hoya as that was when both were in the same weight range (147-154). Then Hatton was spewing off at the mouth saying Mayweather was afraid of him, so Floyd ducked Hatton's head into a ring post with a check hook to shut his ass up. Hatton literally fell into a depression afterward.
Cotto was being groomed as the superfight for Floyd and would've been after 07, but Cotto of course got wrecked by Margarito. Margarito then got exposed as a cheater before getting knocked the fukk out himself by an old ass Mosley.
Pacquiao wasn't even a possibility until around 08, and as another poster has said Mayweather wanted the fight with Pacquiao in 09 but Manny refused to do a drug test.
I fail to see who else Floyd was supposed to fight from his generation. He eventually did face most of the guys he supposedly ducked as quickly as he could, and he really had nothing else to prove after 07. The only thing that kept him going was the possiblity of a fight with Pacquiao. Guys like Maidana, Canelo and GGG are a different generation of fighters that Floyd didn't have to mess with at all. Hell Canelo's 13 years younger as well as bigger and stronger yet Floyd still took him on and beat him.
Look no fighter on earth has a resume that can't be nitpicked. There's always someone else that a fighter should have supposedly faced, or fought at a certain time. Floyd is no exception, but I believe he made the most out of his boxing career given the time and circumstances.
MustafaSTL
Achievement In Every Field of Human Endeavor
That's clearly not the point people are making here. The main point is that you can nitpick one fighter here or there about so many great boxers. It just seems like those other boxer's resumes are overlooked and Floyd is the only one that gets this nitpicking.
Jesus Christ.
Fine. Floyd's competition was the greatest ever.
Nobody fought better fighters...
BlackManLiveFromLondon
New God
AlbertPullhoez
The Takeover
Stop being sensitive dude, I didnt say that
Jesus Christ.
Fine. Floyd's competition was the greatest ever.
Nobody fought better fighters...
Just saying that the same thing you doing to Mayweather can be done to SRL or any fighter
You thought you were gonna get a Floyd hate thread cracking and it backfired.
You didnt help yourself using Sugar when he's done Floyd type shyt himself bro
Because I disagree with you guys? Lol
