Maybe liberals are so ‘P.C.’ because conservatives keep excusing bad behavior

[Shogun]

Is my addressing a group of twenty 17 year olds as "ladies and gents" bad behavior?

 

[AnonymityX1000]

The PC agenda is just out of control. No one speaks or acts according to their ideals all the damn time. So calling out bad speech or behavior is hypocritical. We all fukkin' do it, I don't care how liberal or honorable you pretend to be.

 

[Alpha Male]

So exactly why you hoe ass nikkas don't March against Saudi Arabia for their treatment of women?

I voted for trump buddy.

Of course the vocal left you see on TV are a bunch of losers, I just don't think it's right to apply that to everyone. Not everyone on the left supported women's day and all that dumb bs.

You're talking about the SJW left

 

[mbewane]

This is all the product of decades of presenting the left as "communists", "p*ssies" and what not. The good old myth of the self-made man and bootstraps, which is a spit in the face of anyone who has basic understanding of how economies and societies (not "communities", societies) work.

Trump is the end product, as well as the out of control PC. But if you equate both, I'm guessing you lean towards the former.

 

[mastermind]

you cant be black if you compalin about "PC" convo.

 

[Pressure]

you cant be black if you compalin about "PC" convo.

 

[hashmander]

you cant be black if you compalin about "PC" convo.

yeah we were the reason for this whole "oh that's PC, that's PC run amok." now that women and gays are included some silly wannabe militants who don't know we're the originals to these alt-right fukkboys they're riding with are on that "PC ... SJW" wave now.

 

[Alpha Male]

This is all the product of decades of presenting the left as "communists", "p*ssies" and what not. The good old myth of the self-made man and bootstraps, which is a spit in the face of anyone who has basic understanding of how economies and societies (not "communities", societies) work.

Trump is the end product, as well as the out of control PC. But if you equate both, I'm guessing you lean towards the former.

How is the 'self made man' a myth?

 

[mbewane]

How is the 'self made man' a myth?

Quite often people used as examples of "self-made" man turn out to have benefited from from the social-economic status of their parents in some form. Or of being born in the right city, environment. Every society needs its myth, the "self-made man" is just one of them, it's a smart way of telling people their on their own and that if they don't make it, it's their fault, under the false idea that "everyone has equal opportunities", which anyone with basic understanding of economics knows is bs. So instead of getting mad at those who are supposed to provide equal opportunities (the gvt), people get mad at people who are struggling, the whole "bootstraps" and "if you're poor it's because you want it" approach.

 

[Alpha Male]

Quite often people used as examples of "self-made" man turn out to have benefited from from the social-economic status of their parents in some form. Or of being born in the right city, environment. Every society needs its myth, the "self-made man" is just one of them, it's a smart way of telling people their on their own and that if they don't make it, it's their fault, under the false idea that "everyone has equal opportunities", which anyone with basic understanding of economics knows is bs. So instead of getting mad at those who are supposed to provide equal opportunities (the gvt), people get mad at people who are struggling, the whole "bootstraps" and "if you're poor it's because you want it" approach.

So you're saying no one is self made?

 

[mbewane]

So you're saying no one is self made?

I'm saying it's not that simple. The idea of "the self-made man" is that he didn't need any help, educated himself on his own, did everything on his own like they're some super-heroes...there are people like that, but again in developped countries you at least passively benefit from the infrastructures, knowing how to read, write, minimum level of education, of health, being in a country with legislations and rules, not being in a country at war. All the stuff we take for granted.

Added to that, I saw a study that most "entrepreneurs" benefit from financial help from their parents, and thus actually start with a financial safety net. Or their parents put them through school/college. Or they benefited from the socio-economic status of their parents and had examples, access to books, know-how, social circles, etc. Or were around people that did what they wanted to do and that could help as mentors, "coaches", or spotted their talent. In damn evrey story you will see that people always give credit to someone for "spotting them" or "helping them", or whatever.

No man is an island, circumstances and environment matter. Obviously this doesn't mean that they have no credit AT ALL, that's not what I'm saying at all, I'm just saying that they also benefit from things that maybe we take for granted.

 

[Alpha Male]

I'm saying it's not that simple. The idea of "the self-made man" is that he didn't need any help, educated himself on his own, did everything on his own like they're some super-heroes...there are people like that, but again in developped countries you at least passively benefit from the infrastructures, knowing how to read, write, minimum level of education, of health, being in a country with legislations and rules, not being in a country at war. All the stuff we take for granted.

Added to that, I saw a study that most "entrepreneurs" benefit from financial help from their parents, and thus actually start with a financial safety net. Or their parents put them through school/college. Or they benefited from the socio-economic status of their parents and had examples, access to books, know-how, social circles, etc. Or were around people that did what they wanted to do and that could help as mentors, "coaches", or spotted their talent. In damn evrey story you will see that people always give credit to someone for "spotting them" or "helping them", or whatever.

No man is an island, circumstances and environment matter. Obviously this doesn't mean that they have no credit AT ALL, that's not what I'm saying at all, I'm just saying that they also benefit from things that maybe we take for granted.

There are people who came to this county with pennies in their pocket and are now filthy rich. My old boss is one of those people. Came here piss broke and could barely speak English now owns his own company and probably makes 2-3 million a year.

And of course some people have advantages but that's the way it is. Yes if you were born to two loving, supporting middle class parents... you have a head start compared to someone who was born in poverty to a broken home. It doesn't mean they are any less deserving because they had it easier. You're SUPPOSED to provide for your children and pave the way for their success.

At least we live in a country where people at the bottom of the economic ladder have the opportunity to climb up. Nothing stopping anyone from learning a skill/trade and making decent money.

 

[mbewane]

There are people who came to this county with pennies in their pocket and are now filthy rich. My old boss is one of those people. Came here piss broke and could barely speak English now owns his own company and probably makes 2-3 million a year.

And of course some people have advantages but that's the way it is. Yes if you were born to two loving, supporting middle class parents... you have a head start compared to someone who was born in poverty to a broken home. It doesn't mean they are any less deserving because they had it easier. You're SUPPOSED to provide for your children and pave the way for their success.

At least we live in a country where people at the bottom of the economic ladder have the opportunity to climb up. Nothing stopping anyone from learning a skill/trade and making decent money.

Yeah that's my point, your old boss went to the US because the environment allowed him to do more there than in his homeland...but he's the same person. So indeed he benefited from the new environment, he was probably putting in the same work back home but it didn't work out, for reasons independent of his effort. That's what I mean when I mean "benefit", I don't mean anyone is handed anything. If you reread what I wrote I specified I'm not saying people don't have no credit at all for what they achieve.

 

[Uncle Hotep]

blacks liberals back at it again