Mayweather picks LeBron over MJ

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

shyt is hilarious.. if Bron were 4-0 in the finals you'd copy and paste that shyt all day every day. But because he's 2-2, suddenly 6-0 is "misleading".

It's misleading as it pertains to this conversation because he didn't even MAKE it to the Finals until he was 28.

If LeBron had lost to the Pistons in 07 and say the Celtics in 11 then he'd be 2-0 in the Finals (at the same age Mike was 1-0). But because he actually got his team further at a much younger age than Mike, you're trying to hold that against him? Makes no sense.

 

[Carlos Huerta]

It's misleading as it pertains to this conversation because he didn't even MAKE it to the Finals until he was 28.

If LeBron had lost to the Pistons in 07 and say the Celtics in 11 then he'd be 2-0 in the Finals (at the same age Mike was 1-0). But because he actually got his team further at a much younger age than Mike, you're trying to hold that against him? Makes no sense.

You have your age argument to hang your hat on while disregarding every other fact that exists.

Of course he gets credit for what he did with the Cavs. In that same vain, he gets blasted for losing against inferior competition (Mavs) when he got to the Heat.

You won't talk about how Mike dropped over 35 ppg in those playoff losses against TEAMS that were far superior to his Bulls team. He faced the Celtics and Pistons back then, but you already know this. This is a team game. No one does it by themselves.

Bron didn't approach MJ's production in the playoffs and guess what -- he didn't NEED to. As shytty as his supporting cast was, they were still better than some of those terrible teams in the East were those years. He comes to the "Big 3" and he still lost. How are you just gonna ignore that within the context of this discussion and MJ's perfect finals record?

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

You have your age argument to hang your hat on while disregarding every other fact that exists.

Of course he gets credit for what he did with the Cavs. In that same vain, he gets blasted for losing against inferior competition (Mavs) when he got to the Heat.

You won't talk about how Mike dropped over 35 ppg in those playoff losses against TEAMS that were far superior to his Bulls team. He faced the Celtics and Pistons back then, but you already know this. This is a team game. No one does it by themselves.

Bron didn't approach MJ's production in the playoffs and guess what -- he didn't NEED to. As shytty as his supporting cast was, they were still better than some of those terrible teams in the East were those years. He comes to the "Big 3" and he still lost. How are you just gonna ignore that within the context of this discussion and MJ's perfect finals record?

How old are you? Did you ever watch Mike play?

It's funny because as I recall, these same arguments you're making for Jordan are the exact same arguments people used to make against Jordan as reasons why he'd never win. Too selfish. One man show. Etc.

Or are you suggesting 37 (not 35) ppg Mike was better than 6x champion Mike?

Looks like you need to get your argument straight.

 

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[chuckifubuck]

LeBron was playing in the Finals at the same point Jordan wasn't even making the playoffs. That 6 for 6 is misleading. LeBron got to the Finals younger and lost while Mike did his losing in the first round. LeBron at 28 has 2 rings, Mike at 28 only had 1.

the age thing is misleading as well, Lebron at 28= 10 seasons, MJ at 28= 8 seasons.


Both in their 10th season: Lebron 2 titles, MJ 3

 

[Carlos Huerta]

How old are you? Did you ever watch Mike play?

It's funny because as I recall, these same arguments you're making for Jordan are the exact same arguments people used to make against Jordan as reasons why he'd never win. Too selfish. One man show. Etc.

Or are you suggesting 37 (not 35) ppg Mike was better than 6x champion Mike?

Looks like you need to get your argument straight.

yes, I am old enough to have seen Jordan play. The first NBA finals I watched every game of was '86.

Why are you changing the argument? I'm telling you that MJ is greater than Bron and giving reasons why. You're trying to pigeonhole me into saying something I never said. When you can address Bron losing to the Mavs, then respond. Otherwise

 

[Master Teacher]

somebody needs to repost that jordan overrated youtube video, pretty hard to refute all that evidence.
With that being said, Jordan is the most entertaining player to ever done it, Lebron understands the game on different level and has more basketball skills than Jordan.

Lebron never played for a coach like Phil Jackson
He lead the cavs to the finals with zero help
The cavs went from having 60 something wins, to being canonfodder the very next year when he left.

the big 3 still hasn't meet the expectations, Wade hasn't played up as advertised and neither has Bosh,

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

yes, I am old enough to have seen Jordan play. The first NBA finals I watched every game of was '86.

Why are you changing the argument? I'm telling you that MJ is greater than Bron and giving reasons why. You're trying to pigeonhole me into saying something I never said. When you can address Bron losing to the Mavs, then respond. Otherwise :

I'm just pointing out the huge flaw in your logic? What good is 37 ppg if you're losing early in the playoffs? Stick with the 6 chips argument (which I'm dismantling as well ) but saying 37 ppg is silly because that clearly wasn't Mike at his best.

I'm sure LeBron could score a lot more points if he was willing to sacrifice wins too.

Not off subject. In fact, very relevant.

 

[Carlos Huerta]

somebody needs to repost that jordan overrated youtube video, pretty hard to refute all that evidence.
With that being said, Jordan is the most entertaining player to ever done it, Lebron understands the game on different level and has more basketball skills than Jordan.

Lebron never played for a coach like Phil Jackson
He lead the cavs to the finals with zero help
The cavs went from having 60 something wins, to being canonfodder the very next year when he left.

the big 3 still hasn't meet the expectations, Wade hasn't played up as advertised and neither has Bosh,

He took a shytty supporting cast to the finals. That's great. I'm missing the part of your post where he took Wade and Bosh to the finals and lost in 6.

Bron is a phenom. The greatest player since Kobe. This thread is about him versus MJ though, a cat that never lost in the finals.

 

[Carlos Huerta]

I'm just pointing out the huge flaw in your logic? What good is 37 ppg if you're losing early in the playoffs? Stick with the 6 chips argument (which I'm dismantling as well ) but saying 37 ppg is silly because that clearly wasn't Mike at his best.

I'm sure LeBron could score a lot more points if he was willing to sacrifice wins too.

Not off subject. In fact, very relevant.

still dodging him losing to the Mavs with a superior team. Oh well.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

the age thing is misleading as well, Lebron at 28= 10 seasons, MJ at 28= 8 seasons.


Both in their 10th season: Lebron 2 titles, MJ 3

Another argument I hear all the time that makes no sense. Players retire at a certain AGE, not at "years played".

You know why Kobe was able to do things in his 17th season most 17 year vets can't? Because he was only 34, compared to 37 or 38 like most guys from his draft class.

If Jordan and Bron were born on the same day, Bron would have accomplished more up to this point in life. That's a fact with no funny business.

This is another form of trying to hold something against LeBron we should be praising. He was good enough to impact this league at 18, the only player in history who can make that claim and back it up with evidence. That should be more points for LeBron, not less.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

still dodging him losing to the Mavs with a superior team. Oh well.

I chalk it up to the basketball gods. It wouldn't have been just for Miami to win that year. Not like that. But they were superior so something out of the ordinary had to happen for them to lose. They bball gods spared him an injury and just took away his talent Space Jam style.

It's all good because we got a much better LeBron because of it.

 

[Carlos Huerta]

I chalk it up to the basketball gods. It wouldn't have been just for Miami to win that year. Not like that. But they were superior so something out of the ordinary had to happen for them to lose. They bball gods spared him an injury and just took away his talent Space Jam style.

It's all good because we got a much better LeBron because of it.

Guess God liked Mike more

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Guess God liked Mike more

Depends on if you like winning before losing or just losing.

 

[Master Teacher]

He took a shytty supporting cast to the finals. That's great. I'm missing the part of your post where he took Wade and Bosh to the finals and lost in 6.

Bron is a phenom. The greatest player since Kobe. This thread is about him versus MJ though, a cat that never lost in the finals.

The team had no bench, and was lead by weak coach. The Mavs were the better team that series thats just it.

I don't even think MJ even went against a team as good as the Duncan's Spurs or those Mavs in the finals.