Well I think by the time he got to death row the Feds had basically accomplished their mission. He was only out on bail...meaning they still had him on a hook to some degree...honestly, even if he didn't die he may have been in jail to this day because he violated his parole so heavily and the same conspiracy charges that chased Suge would've chased him. The Feds or some sort of entity clearly put a hit on PAC in nyc and attempted it in ATL...that didn't work out but they still were able to falsely incarcerate him and torture him for a bit...everything they wanted to do to his aunt....the rest just played itself out. But I think if PAC were smarter he easily could have stayed alive and been relevant to this day. But hey he was only in his early 20's...a kid livin the EXTRA fast life.
MC Eiht: 2Pac Went Backwards By Affiliating Himself with Gangs
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I don't know about Bloods and Crips reporting to the man and all of that shyt but I do agree with you on us not protecting each other from the systematic oppression being orchestrated by the man.
Claiming affiliation?You dont have to "claim affiliation",Pac was hanging around crips heavily,even though it was on some rap shyt,he was already affiliated....What you are claiming goes against what people say about Pac making it known he wasn't a crip or blood,and pacs own words....a shout out dont equate to being a gang member,he wasn't a Black Panther either btw even though he made references....You aint from the 40's you cant claim shyt,same situation on Deathrow....yall wanna claim everybody knew he was a crip one minute,then next person says he was getting initiated into the bloods....in a Vegas casino
Only one person was putting out hits through gang members,going through crip shot callers to end the life of blood affiliates Suge and Pac....And that was Sean Puffy Combs(allegedly),but definitely to a certain extent.
Not sure how Pac defending himself makes him the gang banger
,unless you assume it was on behalf of the gang and not himself.....use your brains to figure out which one makes more sense when u add up the whole story.Suge did have lapd mixed in with blood nikkas...and most of those same lapd basically took on blood affiliations through the employment at the label...honestly, THIS JUST BOILS DOWN TO SUGE BEING DUMB AS FUKK. He allowed informants into his label and into the daily lives of his and Pacs...meaning that government entities were also allowed into Pacs life if they were indeed receiving info. But even allowing your artist to claim blood and be involved is foolish ...I mean why risk the cash cow. Both Puff and Suge were dumb boss nikkas who had no clue what the actual climate was that surrounded their artists at the time.
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Fukk your corny debates
If Ice Cube died around 92 or 93 he would've been deified as a revolutionary figure the same way Pac was. People would've talked about how Ice Cube was down with the NOI and he scared the government and had the FBI warning him about his lyrics and would've gotten into politics.
But he didn't die and he turned into a fat actor and filmmaker of family movies and a Coors Light spokesman.
If Pac would've ever gotten his mind right, he probably would've became a full time actor too. A better one than Cube though because he had natural acting talent. Pac winning an Oscar is far more plausible than him uniting the crips and bloods or starting a political party or any of that bullshyt.
But he didn't die and he turned into a fat actor and filmmaker of family movies and a Coors Light spokesman.
If Pac would've ever gotten his mind right, he probably would've became a full time actor too. A better one than Cube though because he had natural acting talent. Pac winning an Oscar is far more plausible than him uniting the crips and bloods or starting a political party or any of that bullshyt.
Ice cube doesn't belong to a family that went to war with the nypd ...I don't think America would've allowed PAC to do what cube did. His family's past haunted too much.
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It's sad biggie had to be caught up & die over that nonsense he had no control over. Pac. Suge & Puffy was some messy drama filled people
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
People in Pac's family went to war with the NYPD, not him. That's not relevant though. What do you mean been allowed? He was already allowed to do this before he died...
1992 Juice Roland Bishop First starring role
1993 Poetic Justice Lucky Co-starred with Janet Jackson
1994 Above the Rim Birdie Co-starred with Duane Martin
1995 Murder Was the Case: The Movie Sniper (Uncredited). Segment "Natural Born Killaz".
1996 Bullet Tank Released one month after Shakur's death
1997 Gridlock'd Ezekiel "Spoon" Whitmore Released four months after Shakur's death
1997 Gang Related
With Gridlock'd and Gang Related he had already moved out of the "urban" market demographics and into more mainstream-oriented films.
Y'all mythologize this revolutionary enemy of the state shyt about Pac. Nobody gives a fukk about that at the end of the day if there's money to be made. Hollywood studios didn't give a shyt that his mom was a Black Panther. They said "this guy is marketable and can make us money" and nothing would've stopped that.
Just look at Ice Cube. Dude was an NOI member and had Khalid fukking Muhammad, who was basically a black supremacist and about the most toxic figure you could find in American political landscape, ranting on his albums. That didn't prevent him from getting acting roles.
DJDONTNOBODYPAYME
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I hear you. But you gotta have a certain type of mind to even fathom some shyt like that. U gotta be a real Leader.
The first thing that you said was
"u can't unite a MOB piru with a Lynwood neighborhood crip if u Rollin with a walnut blocc crip..."
But if you're a POLITICAL PARTY then why wouldn't you?
But that let's me know that you just wouldn't get it. If you knew how to organize a Team and you were good at knowing who's who and their strengths & weaknesses. And could place everybody in their "position"; becuz everybody has a Position. Then putting together the best minds & resources when you're on the biggest platforms with tha the strongest muscle would produce successful results.
Black People really don't have any Organization foreal. Everytime we make progress they kill them #PrayForBarack. Look at what they did to Farrakhan. Look at what they did to Martin, look at what they did to Nat.
And Pac was probably trying to make the next best thing. He already had The Bay sowed up with The Panthers and the other Street nikkaz he knew. All he needed was Southern California with The C.r.i.p's & The Bloods. It was organized assembly but it wasn't. But it was one of the few RESOURCES for an Independent Financial & Military Institution free of Caucasian Involvement [in a technical sense]
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I need more than just mob sayin
where's the pics where bloods signs r being thrown up,pac shakin up blood, at a blood picnic, real mob pirus sayin he was a blood
Y'all forget this. When 2pacalypse now released, 2pac was 20 years old. And vice president of USA, Dan Quayle said for this album.
"There's no reason for a record like this to be released. It has no place in our society." Afterwards, Pac dissed him, or VICE PRESIDENT OF USA on Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z.
And y'all say government doesn't give a fukk about Pac. If your surname is Shakur, you have the problems about government as always.
EDI explained as well in this interview :
"There's no reason for a record like this to be released. It has no place in our society." Afterwards, Pac dissed him, or VICE PRESIDENT OF USA on Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z.
And y'all say government doesn't give a fukk about Pac. If your surname is Shakur, you have the problems about government as always.
EDI explained as well in this interview :
DJDONTNOBODYPAYME
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I need more than just mob sayin
smh..wow
Nah bro... you don't get it and you obviously missed his point.
How could you get to the point of forming a political party with two groups who have obvious disdain for each other? It's just not happening fam. You're not getting passed that is what he's saying.
Claiming affiliation?You dont have to "claim affiliation",Pac was hanging around crips heavily,even though it was on some rap shyt,he was already affiliated....What you are claiming goes against what people say about Pac making it known he wasn't a crip or blood,and pacs own words....a shout out dont equate to being a gang member,he wasn't a Black Panther either btw even though he made references....You aint from the 40's you cant claim shyt,same situation on Deathrow....yall wanna claim everybody knew he was a crip one minute,then next person says he was getting initiated into the bloods....in a Vegas casino
Only one person was putting out hits through gang members,going through crip shot callers to end the life of blood affiliates Suge and Pac....And that was Sean Puffy Combs(allegedly),but definitely to a certain extent.
Not sure how Pac defending himself makes him the gang banger
You clearly misunderstood.
He was basically claiming allegience to the 40's off record is what im saying. People dont say nothing about him "getting initiated to the bloods in Vegas", you're
clearly choosing what you wanna hear. What most have said is that in Vegas it was an attempt for him to try to prove himself, just like Eiht said..nothing about no initiation or nothing. Why
the fukk is that so hard to understand just because its Martin-Luter-Malcolm-X-Black-Jesus-2pac?
Riiight, just like Chris Brown really aint from the Fruits but claim it do, right? Just like Wayne really aint a Blood but claim it right? So i dont know about claiming shyt when you're not from there means.
Defending himself was what he tried when they robbed him in 1994, not in Vegas tho (if thats the case you're talking about) since it had nothing to do with him. But to prove
his affiliation to Death Row he tried to rush the dude like he was just anybody. Btw, that shyt had been going on before 2pac was even on Death Row as far as the issue with
them nikkas. Had nothing to do with it. 2pac was a ENTERTAINER, not super black concious, not a politican, not a super thug or nothing else. He was just a talented kid
who like all of us had to grow, but unfortunately he never got to learn.
Watch that interview with him from '88 btw, he talks about his own problem being that he likes popularity and fitting in. It goes along with what ive been saying, Eiht been saying and a few others.
I just wish nikkas could make AAAAALL these excuses for every other nikka and not just someone who died and been in the press because of it for 20 years and now everybody and they mama
on they dikk like they were martyrs. Thats the classic "throwing flowers at the casket" mentality
