MC Eiht: 2Pac Went Backwards By Affiliating Himself with Gangs

[Edub]

People in Pac's family went to war with the NYPD, not him. That's not relevant though. What do you mean been allowed? He was already allowed to do this before he died...

1992 Juice Roland Bishop First starring role
1993 Poetic Justice Lucky Co-starred with Janet Jackson
1994 Above the Rim Birdie Co-starred with Duane Martin
1995 Murder Was the Case: The Movie Sniper (Uncredited). Segment "Natural Born Killaz".
1996 Bullet Tank Released one month after Shakur's death
1997 Gridlock'd Ezekiel "Spoon" Whitmore Released four months after Shakur's death
1997 Gang Related

With Gridlock'd and Gang Related he had already moved out of the "urban" market demographics and into more mainstream-oriented films.

Y'all mythologize this revolutionary enemy of the state shyt about Pac. Nobody gives a fukk about that at the end of the day if there's money to be made. Hollywood studios didn't give a shyt that his mom was a Black Panther. They said "this guy is marketable and can make us money" and nothing would've stopped that.

Just look at Ice Cube. Dude was an NOI member and had Khalid fukking Muhammad, who was basically a black supremacist and about the most toxic figure you could find in American political landscape, ranting on his albums. That didn't prevent him from getting acting roles.

Bruh...that family ASSASINATED TWO COPS and escaped out of captivity to COMMUNIST CUBA...HIS AUNT IS NUMBER 1 ON THE FBI MOST WANTED FEMALES LIST...STILL. PAC being a super star in American Society was a direct slap in the face to all levels of government...he represented a successful heir to an accused enemy of the state...trust they cared. And they did soak PAC for all he was worth until his death...


And pacs run of movies throughout the 90's was in part due to a much friendlier Hollywood at the time to anything urban because urban meant big money...like boyzndahood juice menace etc....but today their is a whole lot more politics being played in who blows up and who doesn't...by this time pacs legacy and identity would have more than attracted the vipers that strike our talented...think Michael Jackson type espionage but worse and more violent...actually that is what happened he just died from it

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Bruh...that family ASSASINATED TWO COPS and escaped out of captivity to COMMUNIST CUBA...HIS AUNT IS NUMBER 1 ON THE FBI MOST WANTED FEMALES LIST...STILL. PAC being a super star in American Society was a direct slap in the face to all levels of government...he represented a successful heir to an accused enemy of the state...trust they cared. And they did soak PAC for all he was worth until his death...


And pacs run of movies throughout the 90's was in part due to a much friendlier Hollywood at the time to anything urban because urban meant big money...like boyzndahood juice menace etc....but today their is a whole lot more politics being played in who blows up and who doesn't...by this time pacs legacy and identity would have more than attracted the vipers that strike our talented...think Michael Jackson type espionage but worse and more violent...actually that is what happened he just died from it

None of that means shyt. The government doesn't give actors movie roles, Hollywood studio execs do. Pac was a talented actor with an iconic presence and had potential to be a cash cow and that's all there is to it. Nothing would've stopped him making movies. Stop living in these fantasies about Pac being a revolutionary threat to the government.

 

[DJDONTNOBODYPAYME]

Dan Quayle said that because he was trying to get elected by appealing to white fear of the scary black criminal. Quayle, Bush, Dole, and all types of politicians were using "gangsta rap" as a boogieman when they ran for elections back then. That's just racist political fearmongering. It's age-old and American as apple pie. And you shouldn't confuse it with real fear of a revolutionary threat.

Dan Quayle made a bigger deal condemning the show Murphy Brown than he did Pac. I guess that means the government fears revolution from sitcoms about white single mothers?

Define "revolutionary threat" and how would that manifest ?

 

[Edub]

None of that means shyt. The government doesn't give actors movie roles, Hollywood studio execs do. Pac was a talented actor with an iconic presence and had potential to be a cash cow and that's all there is to it. Nothing would've stopped him making movies. Stop living in these fantasies about Pac being a revolutionary threat to the government.

It's not about PAC being a threat nikka...it's about u fukk us we fukk u....gang in blue shyt...you ain't heard nikka...and u actually think Hollywood execs and government entities are far apart...breh do some quick research on history. Hollywood relationship to government goes back to damn near it's beginning. But like I said...I actually don't think the govt did PAC in in the end...pac did PAC in. But iconic or not PAC being blackballed would have kicked in had he survived...mj had iconic status...that means nothing.

 

[Techniec]

Has zero to do with hindsight. Dude was 25 years old and a millionaire and he chose to join a gang. That is beyond retarded.

Easy for you to say now 20 years later

 

[Techniec]

As a Pac stan, my two cents:

1- Pac wasn't assassinated by the fukking govt
2- Pac wasn't a revolutionary. He was many things, he had revolutionary elements, but he was still a work in progress. Nothing wrong with that. Im 32, Im still a work in progress
3- Pac wasn't some clown hopping on gang bangers dikks like Chris Brown or Lil Wayne. His situation was different and a lot more complicated then wanting to play fantasy piru

 

[Grizzly]

Look im in my 30s and im from Inglewood surrounded by bloods... I'm no gangbanger but I know crips and bloods and a ton of stories about different killings and attempts on rappers and extortions on entertainers.. I won't post that shyt on message boards and keep it to myself...

But tupac wouldn't united shyt...u can't unite a MOB piru with a Lynwood neighborhood crip if u Rollin with a walnut blocc crip...

L.A. gang life is whole different animal compared to other cities gang life..

Chicago nikkas will tell u the same..

Nobody gives a fukk about how famous u are out here, u come to the wrong hood u get smoke.. believe me I hear crip nikkas say let chris brown say or do anything negative towards a crip he'll be laying next to tupac...

I'm out..

@Newportbox said that Pac took bloods from Cali (QSBG) and brought them to Jersey. This is fact. Treach is really the one who put everything in motion but that's another thread. As far as Crips in NJ, I don't think he had nothing to do with that. I always hear different stories about how Crips started in NJ and none of them ever involve Pac.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Alot of these cats nowadays are affiliating for street credibility that they lack.

Pac already had street credibility in abundance. I think for him it was moreso about aligning himself with something powerful that could match his fire. Dude legit was trying to takeover the rap game and streets to some degree and a feared guy like Suge could easily help that cause. Suge and his goons were like linemen to Pac's running back.

He probably just wanted to feed them the same loyalty and protection they gave him after bouncing back from being setup and shot. But there was no escaping the bullshyt that came with it.

This is my exact thoughts.That phone conversation(Stillas to why Monster Kody would secretly record that phone call.U really can't trust ANYBODY) he had with Monster Kody really put things into perspective for me.I think he wanted to merge the gang shyt with the militant shyt.

But just imagine having that mission in life when you're 22-25 years old.It's almost like doing the impossible.You're bound to get into some shyt

 

[Dirty D]

There's a lot of truth in what Eiht is saying. But with DR being Pac's way out of jail that puts him next to gangbangers automatically. And it was already known that he was wild. If you keep watching that gridlock' interview posted above he talks about wanting to progress from the "party animal" to the "scholar" and people not wanting that to happen.

Also, its not totally outlandish that members of government or more likely law enforcement were involved in his death. Not directly but by putting up cash, using provocateurs, stuff like that. I'm not saying 100% that it's the case but I don't rule it out.



I look at the tea party movement and Trump and it doesn't seem crazy to me that he could have pulled this off had he lived and been a major problem.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Has zero to do with hindsight. Dude was 25 years old and a millionaire and he chose to join a gang. That is beyond retarded.

It's not that simple.Pac was already affiliated with gangs.The whole Thug Life Code Of Ethics involved gang participation.It was about regulating the community and making the streets safer for regular civilians/women and children.

It wasn't no super man "Pac and his political party vs the government" shyt like niccaz are attempting to clown about.

It was logistics.Laying a track that could've maybe evolved into something greater.

The "Anti-Pac" brigade don't wanna here that, tho.


They clown "Pac stans" for being delusional, but that's exactly how they want them to stay.Makes it easier for them to hate on Pac.And yeah, there are some stans that make it easy.

But if you have a clear, non-delusional understanding of where Pac was coming from, they really can't fukk with you.That's me.


I'm not caught up in the sensational bullshyt.You have to sidetrack it...Or else you'll get caught up in the cat & mouse bullshyt that goes on between the "Anti-Pac's" and the "Stans"....who happen to, ironically, feed off of each other

 

[Newportbox]

Now Pac was solely responsible for introducing gang banging to NY/NJ

Bloods in NY started independently of Newark in the prison system. I never said anything about NY.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

@SoundOfDaDark ol bytch ass nicca

 

[Suleiman Bey]

It's not that simple.Pac was already affiliated with gangs.The whole Thug Life Code Of Ethics involved gang participation.It was about regulating the community and making the streets safer for regular civilians/women and children.

It wasn't no super man "Pac and his political party vs the government" shyt like niccaz are attempting to clown about.

It was logistics.Laying a track that could've maybe evolved into something greater.

The "Anti-Pac" brigade don't wanna here that, tho.


They clown "Pac stans" for being delusional, but that's exactly how they want them to stay.Makes it easier for them to hate on Pac.And yeah, there are some stans that make it easy.

But if you have a clear, non-delusional understanding of where Pac was coming from, they really can't fukk with you.That's me.


I'm not caught up in the sensational bullshyt.You have to sidetrack it...Or else you'll get caught up in the cat & mouse bullshyt that goes on between the "Anti-Pac's" and the "Stans"....who happen to, ironically, feed off of each other

Having loose affiliations and beinga full fledged member are too separate things. Gang informants said it was his initiation.

 

[Farrinto]

Just based off Who Shot Ya and Long Kiss Goodnight and a bunch of other slick shyt, biggie got what he deserved because he made it seem like he was involved. I know people will be mad at that statement but its real.

If Biggie deserved to get clapped over music then Pac deserved to get clapped for threatening Biggie's kids or trying to get Puff's mom's address.

 

[Nomad1]

Tupac had affiliated himself with Bloods.

Pac was affiliated with Crips too, and more so when he was in Interscope.