NasirJr
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Kawhi absolutely shut Melo the fukk down when they played earlier the season btw
melo 21 ppg 7rpg 3apg=not good anymore. Khawi 21 ppg 7 rpg 2 apg=mvp candidate
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That's not sound logic for basketball. I would say it's more the equivalent of a reverse bell curve for how team quality would affect a player's individual stats. His team isn't bad enough for him to dominate all the stat lines like you imply . It's just good enough for him to have to rely on his team to do something and it's just bad enough for teams to be able to focus on him and not worry too much about others. That's why whenever one of the other players on the team have big games, they usually win.
If Melo didn't get hurt last year, I would have expected him to get those gaudy numbers that you're expecting now... that team was terrible.
Playa With Tha Passport
Mr International
That was wen melo was still laboring from injuryv
He still broke khawi ankles twice tho
I don't like team stats that are targeted at one player. I mean when you're playing with the likes of Vujacic and Calderon in the starting lineup for the first several games, everybody in that lineup is going to be negatively affected. Also, whether your team in general is good or bad is going to affect those numbers. Starting players on average teams are generally going to have worse plus-minus numbers considering they're losing more.
I prefer one on one stats. But hey... to each his own I guess.
One is ascending the other seems to be descending as an elite player. One is his teams number 1 option but he shares the ball with 3 other Hall of Famers and an All Star big man. One shoots a high percentage from the field while being the best or one of the best defenders in the league. That's why Kawhi is an MVP candidate and Melo isn't.
fantabolous
smart usage of data plan
I posted the article with "stats" moreso because they acknowledged that melo has improved as a defender. To show the problem with using stats as an argument, I'll use 2 key points.
1) plus minus and your other stat at the end of the day is a very team oriented stat. There's literally no way possible to gauge this without it being based on the team
2) per the stats that you just used, melo is a better defender than paul george, iguodala, ariza and essentially equal to tony allen and sefolosha. Obviously these guys are better defenders, but the fact that statistically he's even similar should indicate how much better he's actually been playing
Smoking With Cigarettes
Superstar
Not anyone can be plopped into a system and win a Finals MVP
malbaker86
Gators
It's not even the finals MVP thing, he CLEARLY passes the EYE TEST. Man people who try and down Kawhi and lean on that system player haven't watched him play unless it's a nationally televised game
The Ol Coli Eye Test
malbaker86
Gators
The Ol Coli Eye Test
Do you watch the Spurs? Did you watch the game last night or you just clinging to your outdated rhetoric?
Who's the best this season?
Probably Draymond when you factor in both perimeter and post defense. He's an anomaly because of how good he is against near anyone on any spot on the floor
Draymond. He's been the best for the last two seasons.
Who's the best this season?
Playa With Tha Passport
Mr International
You take away melo from nyk
There the worst tm in the league
Top 5 in the draft (as you saw)
You take away Khawi from sas
There still a 55 win team Capable of making the finals
So who's really more valuable?
There the worst tm in the league
Top 5 in the draft (as you saw)
You take away Khawi from sas
There still a 55 win team Capable of making the finals
So who's really more valuable?