Melo has better stats in almost every category then kawhi,and people think kawhi better?

[Art Barr]

I bet if I went into the Curry vs Iverson thread you'd be saying Curry isn't as good as Iverson.

Kawhi is better than Melo, there's more than one side of the ball, save the long rants for someone else.

No, you would have been wrong because I know the pedigree of ai and I know the pedigree of curry.
I know curry, genetically has the best shooter's genes coursing through his frame.
With ai I know I his pedigree and know John Thompson changed from being a big man extensive, to being backcourt extensive from Ai.

You are the one mistaking system and basketball organizational tools to ramp up players.
For actual real skill and actualized ball players, who did not need systems to ramp up.
Ai and curry were going to be who they were going to be regardless of systems or coaching.
Plus, made organizations seek to find better personnel purposefully to take advantage of their once in a generation style talent.

No one changed around san Diego state or san an for Leonard.
Yet, Gs, Davidson, Philly and Georgetown switched their entire loser based models to seize the day after acquisition of ai and curry.

If san an does not have anything in place like pop.
They never draft Leonard, to, or ginob and they never become actualized if they make it in the league.
Melo, curry and Ai make it in the league without those principles.
That is what you are missing.....



Art Barr

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

Modern day Bernard King, except Bernard actually led the Knicks to two winning seasons and won two playoff series

You probably think Avery Bradley is better then james harden

 

[360dagod]

Kawhi is still tapping into his potential...

Melo is pretty much what you see is what you get at this point...

The man isnt even 26 yet..

If kawhi stays on the right path, why cant he be better than melo?

 

[Art Barr]

We might as well compare Kenneth bazemore to Kenny Skywalker with the premise of this thread.

Whoever would take Leonard over melo is stoopid all because you ain't pop and you are not the san an franchise that mastered building low post based teams since the aba to the NBA.

I would never trust you nikkaz with this kawahi bullshyt and we were an expansion team.
You would be fired immediately if we were at the draft board and melo is there and you pick darco.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

You probably Avery Bradley is better then james harden

Exactly,......
nikkaz, so stoopid.
They would pick crowder and bazemore over melo.
This same spreadsheet bullshyt is why we are in the low bball IQ era.
This is the same dumbshyt that started fifteen and ten.
Ol character guy over the superstar dumbshyt,....

Ol I can get a bunch of trash to score thirty points over the superstar getting thirty three a game.

Ol let the buster play four and a half nerd minutes a quarter of garbage ball for stat padded efficiency stats in the regular season.
fukk outta here, that is why the game had to be changed to this bullshyt we watch now where no one really knows how to play professional NBA basketball.


Art Barr

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

see folks, this is how you gun for WPOY.

you purposely start a thread with a ridiculous premise and then over the course of dozens of posts, without resorting to using any kind of reason or logic, you passionately defend your position tooth and nail against the onslaught of facts and thoughtful analysis you've brought upon yourself. you must not yield a single point. you must not waver from any poster. your dedication to argue and commitment to stupidity must be absolute.

take notes y'all, cuz @Playa With Tha Passport is showing you how it's done.

That breakdown

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

You feel that comparison is valid

Yes I do. Kawhi is the closest we've seen to Pippen since he retired

I always thought Kawhi was like a bigger, stronger, more athletic, even better defensive version of Eddie Jones

 

[calh45]

You didn't answer my question. What good has having Melo as the dude done for two different franchises over 13 years? Now don't get me wrong...I recognize this is a team game and a lot of things outside of individual players control come into play...no doubt. However, Melo being traded to NY (and thusly gutting their supporting cast and costing them draft picks including this years) and being unable to fit with STAT and the Nuggets having a better second half after the trade (they still have a better overall record since the trade ) can't be attributed to other folks or a lack of talent. People stay saying "bu...bu...but if Melo had that SA team around him" and my question, that hasn't been answered is when has he shown he can fit into such a program and play a role like Kawhi's?

You're trying to get me to shyt on a good player because the team ain't go far, but that happens. KG was beasting on those Timberwolves teams, but they got slumped in the playoffs too before he landed with the Celts. Same with Dirk before he became Larry Legend 2.0 for 2 seasons. Did you downgrade their rating as a player too because of that? I'm not some crazy Melo fan. I ain't got no issues with saying the man's teams ain't done shyt and I don't think Melo should be blamed for the Knicks impatience in trading for him. Sure he probably pushed in the background, but they're supposed to say no for the sake of their overall picture. That's not on Melo. That's on Dolan.

I get what you're trying to say, but to me I can't just say his team did less so Kahwi is automatically better OR that Kahwi does more across the entire spectrum than Melo so he's better. Melo's primary impact was offensively. Kahwi's impact is more diverse. I don't know how Melo would perform in Kawhi's role because even going back to Syracuse they gave him the ball and got the fukk outta his way on the offensive side meanwhile Kawhi could barely shoot outside the paint at San Diego State so he had to scrap to do other shyt to impact the game. The way they play in the NBA are extensions of how I've seen them play from the point I've known about either one of them. Kawhi is starting to expand out of the hide in the background role just like Melo should probably start trying to slide back within the frame of the team and do a bit more.

TL;DR
Currently? Kahwi
Overall? Eh. We'll see.

I am not trying to get you to do anything but keep shyt a buck. Why folks keep bringing up all these other people? How is that relevant to the thread? I asked two simple, straight-forward question about Melo and Kawhi, that you still have not answered.

Bolded so you could actually find it. Does the bolding help you out at all? And even before this I compared Melo to Bernard King who's primary claim to fame is scoring some points and playing in New York and getting hurt, but ultimately did nothing team wise. I figured you'd read between the lines with that, but apparently not. You've been digging for me to answer something I've already answered.

 

[FTBS]

Bolded so you could actually find it. Does the bolding help you out at all? And even before this I compared Melo to Bernard King who's primary claim to fame is scoring some points and playing in New York and getting hurt, but ultimately did nothing team wise. I figured you'd read between the lines with that, but apparently not. You've been digging for me to answer something I've already answered.

So if his teams aint' done shyt, what is the relevance of him being the man? Are you suggesting that Kawhi as the man would lead teams that do less than "not doing shyt"? Is that even possible?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Until Bron went to fux with wade he ain't win shyt either nikka...
KD and ain't winning shyt either my nikka..
KG had umpteen years of excellence and had dikk to show for it.. same with Ray Allen and P double.
Yall nikkaz flip the script to fit your argument smh...
Remember he was MOP and won a National Championship

Lebron looked better in his first playoffs than Melo ever has. Lebron had won more playoff series at the age of 22 than Carmelo has in his entire career. And that's with a FAR inferior lineup to what Melo was rolling with.

Same with the other names you mentioned too. The only one who had a run of futility close to Melo was Garnett, and his lineups were truly ass compared to what Melo was rolling with.

Like i said,....
He is not better than Danny granger before injury.
Kawahi is not better than melo and If he was on the nuggets, Philly, or ny he would get exposed.
Kawahi is the other ai like Andre igoudala, period.
Stop buying into the media hate fest for bron and over processing the NBA finals MVP because you wanna feel vindicated like some errant sportswriter.
Who feels great because they picked the guy who played defense on bron, in the finals.
Complete with no real rim protectors and a miniball under coached under staffed roster and squad with the film equipment manager as a coach.

Kawahi Leonard is the validation point for sportswriters mad about the decision.
Past that he is overprocessed.

Art Barr

Please, just try to answer any of the facts that I posed before you.

How does playing with three ready-to-retire HOFers turn Kawhi into one of the top-10 best free throw shooters in the NBA?

How many forwards in this entire league could be leading the NBA shooting 48% on 4 threes/game just because, um, good ball movement?

And who exactly on the Spurs is playing such incredible defense that it enables Kawhi to look like the best perimeter defender in the league, especially when 40-year-old Timmy isn't even on the court the majority of the time?

You're trying to get me to shyt on a good player because the team ain't go far, but that happens. KG was beasting on those Timberwolves teams, but they got slumped in the playoffs too before he landed with the Celts. Same with Dirk before he became Larry Legend 2.0 for 2 seasons. Did you downgrade their rating as a player too because of that?

What the hell years you talking about? Dirk got out of the first round his rookie season, was already in the conference finals when he got injured in his 3rd season, then beat the Spurs in an epic battle his 6th season and nearly took out the Heat for the title. It's not like that came out of nowhere - when he battled Wade down to the wire the first time, he had already won more than twice as many playoff series (and all in the West) as Carmelo has in his whole career.

 

[who_better_than_me]

Kill your fukking self .
Did Melo fukk yall bytch??
Damn. ..
nikka said better than he ever was?!

Dont worry, next season well see just how good Kawhi really is when manu, and duncan are gone.

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

Yes I do. Kawhi is the closest we've seen to Pippen since he retired

I always thought Kawhi was like a bigger, stronger, more athletic, even better defensive version of Eddie Jones

Pg is closer

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

Lebron looked better in his first playoffs than Melo ever has. Lebron had won more playoff series at the age of 22 than Carmelo has in his entire career. And that's with a FAR inferior lineup to what Melo was rolling with.

Same with the other names you mentioned too. The only one who had a run of futility close to Melo was Garnett, and his lineups were truly ass compared to what Melo was rolling with.






Please, just try to answer any of the facts that I posed before you.

How does playing with three ready-to-retire HOFers turn Kawhi into one of the top-10 best free throw shooters in the NBA?

How many forwards in this entire league could be leading the NBA shooting 48% on 4 threes/game just because, um, good ball movement?

And who exactly on the Spurs is playing such incredible defense that it enables Kawhi to look like the best perimeter defender in the league, especially when 40-year-old Timmy isn't even on the court the majority of the time?






What the hell years you talking about? Dirk got out of the first round his rookie season, was already in the conference finals when he got injured in his 3rd season, then beat the Spurs in an epic battle his 6th season and nearly took out the Heat for the title. It's not like that came out of nowhere - when he battled Wade down to the wire the first time, he had already won more than twice as many playoff series (and all in the West) as Carmelo has in his whole career.

Lebron needed wade and bosh in the weak east to win

 

[intruder]

He is younger and more athletic

1 of the best perimeter and on ball defenders

But Better player? No

Cant believe people really think he's better then melo

Even had people saying he's better then kd

Like stop.. He's a nice young system player
You couldn't build a tm around him

Saying khawi better then melo

Is like saying marion was better then tmac...


Please ppl just stop overrating this dude

Kawhi's better than Melo.
KD's better than Melo
LBJ's better than Melo
Let Melo fukk around and soon Wiggins will be better than him
Not saying he's better but I'd take Paul Milsap over Melo.
Hell, some would make the argument that Paul George is better than Melo


Face it Melo stans. Your boy is a deadly scorer but besides that he doesn't offer much anymore

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

Kawhi's better than Melo.
KD's better than Melo
LBJ's better than Melo
Let Melo fukk around and soon Wiggins will be better than him
Not saying he's better but I'd take Paul Milsap over Melo.
Hell, some would make the argument that Paul George is better than Melo


Face it Melo stans. Your boy is a deadly scorer but besides that he doesn't offer much anymore

Kd
Lb (for another year)

Are better

Rest them nikkas

Na

Go play somewhere