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Miami had wade ,

1) They were all free agents. Technically Miami "had" nobody. AND now Wade's the albatross that's killing the team. Too old, bad value, declining production. He may be the reason Miami loses LeBron and Bosh.

Good example. Thank you.


Boston had pierce

But pierce didn't attract KG... KG came on a TRADE FOR ASSETS. If you don't have assets... you can't trade for KG, Boston never wins a ring.


and the lakers is completely different they have a historic franchise .

Just like the Knicks? A great city, just like the Knicks? A huge platform and market, just like the Knicks? Access to incredible sponsorships and lifestyle... just like the Knicks?

Your whole premise is wrong your saying melo is aging and declining when the stats don't even back that up he's improved the last 2 years .

But you don't sign a person for the last two years, you sign him for the next 4-5. He's chronically dinged, he shoots a lot of long jumpers, he's a bad defensive player, and he's lost his first step. He's still very very good. Nobody is doubting that.

What I doubt is: That you can build a championship team around him if he's making 25-30 million per year. You know why I doubt it? Because he never had a shot at a championship when he was making rookie money, and he never had a shot at regular max money... You want to talk about the last two years? Do it. Melo had one of the best years of his career last year, and they couldn't make the playoffs.


Your whole premise actually is horrible when we just won 54 games with melo and role players

Actually... we just LOST 45 games. Denver has our 11th pick. If that was us, we'd be looking at maybe Aaron Gordon next season. Maybe Payton? Good players. McDermott, Stauskas, Nurkic, Gary Harris... good players.

how can you say melo isn't that kind of star ? Mans been in the playoffs every year until the one year he had a horrible roster ,

But wait a second... I thought he "just won" 54 games? With that same roster... I see you trying to change your hand and yell "go fish" at the same time.

not to mention the east is still weak .

And we didn't make the playoffs.

Your not even interested in competing for a title anytime soon if your going to let him improve another team in the conference .

We're not competing for the playoffs now.

Melo is a top 10 player at the least to most nba prognosticators

"most prognosticators" - Don't use big words, you'll get a hernia. At best, the basketball world is SPLIT on whether Carmelo should get the max. He'll be 35 making 30 million. That's a bad investment.

but you want to try and restart with the draft ?

Nope. I want to start by clearing the cap, and starting over. That' show we GOT MELO in the first place. Why do you suddenly think we couldn't get other great players?

Did you forget - again - how we got melo? Through the draft, drafted young talent... traded them for Melo.


I don't get how you saying. Melo isn't worth the money when you look at the max players in the nba . You have nothing to back up melo being worse at a later age since his game isn't based around athleticism

Don't over-extend yourself here.

The idea that I have "nothing" to back up Melo getting worse over the next five years is the kind of argument somebody makes before their brain fully develops.

You remain focused on his LAST few years, I'm focusing on his NEXT five. There is an OCEAN of evidence that NBA players do not improve from 30-35. And while this may surprise you.... Every NBA player's game is predicated on their athleticism, even those that use a more diverse and polished skillset. If we suddenly gave Melo YOUR athleticism, he'd be out of the league the All Star Break. Two things in life are undefeated: One of them is Time. (The other you're unfamiliar with, so don't worry) Nobody beats time, it comes for everyone. He's less explosive than he's ever been, and his statistics have been good... but he's also been used at the 4 in a lot of small lineups, which forces teams into defensive mismatches. He's not improving as a defender, he's not getting more range or better instincts... he'll be a worse defender in three years, and you're trying to pay him 28 million. That's a bad investment.

Don't do this to yourself. You seem like a nice kid. I'm not looking for a problem from the teenage knickstape brigade. I already lived through these decisions. A decade of awful before we cleared the decks, and then the only success you've ever seen. Problem was, we made some bad investments. Amar'e got hurt, Tyson fell apart in the playoffs...But we got a 2 seed out of it, had an exciting season and a half... that's good.

Next time around, you try to make better decisions. The MISTAKE you're trying to REPEAT is why we were a laughing stock through the aughts. I know it because I watched it happen with Ewing, with Allan Houston... it took a decade to get out of the tunnel. Now we're out, so you focus on what got you there: Smartly Managing the cap... and using your picks to draft talent.
 

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Don't do this to yourself. You seem like a nice kid. I'm not looking for a problem from the teenage knickstape brigade. I already lived through these decisions. A decade of awful before we cleared the decks, and then the only success you've ever seen. Problem was, we made some bad investments. Amar'e got hurt, Tyson fell apart in the playoffs...But we got a 2 seed out of it, had an exciting season and a half... that's good.

Next time around, you try to make better decisions. The MISTAKE you're trying to REPEAT is why we were a laughing stock through the aughts. I know it because I watched it happen with Ewing, with Allan Houston... it took a decade to get out of the tunnel. Now we're out, so you focus on what got you there: Smartly Managing the cap... and using your picks to draft talent.
You're wasting your time. This is the same dude that vehemently defends J.R. Smith. :lolwut:
 

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to the conference finals ,where love been I'll wait .
what cause ?why do you care if Melo gets the max ,? You rather lose Melo than offerhim the max ,? Your ok with giving another eastern team Melo so he can be a thorn in the Knicks side ? Who do you think Phil is attracting here to play with no one ? What's your alternative strategy ? If it's tanking how do you you think we get bad enough to tank ? @Trip give me yoor ideas too now if These ideas involve kd or some other person who has expressed no interest in NYC then that's not a plan
I think they have made it clear they would take Melo back on a more friendly deal

Look, Bron, Wade & Bosh all passed on max deals to win. Melo has stated he would take less to win

I dont think its ridiculous to ask the dude to take a pay cut to stay in NY - basically every other team that wants him would do the same, and he has no loyalty to them
 

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Don't do this to yourself. You seem like a nice kid. I'm not looking for a problem from the teenage knickstape brigade. I already lived through these decisions. A decade of awful before we cleared the decks, and then the only success you've ever seen. Problem was, we made some bad investments. Amar'e got hurt, Tyson fell apart in the playoffs...But we got a 2 seed out of it, had an exciting season and a half... that's good.

Next time around, you try to make better decisions. The MISTAKE you're trying to REPEAT is why we were a laughing stock through the aughts. I know it because I watched it happen with Ewing, with Allan Houston... it took a decade to get out of the tunnel. Now we're out, so you focus on what got you there: Smartly Managing the cap... and using your picks to draft talent.
I got love for you @23statcity but go take cold mental shower & try to digest all this logic that's been thrown at you this evening. Tell your friends.
 

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I think they have made it clear they would take Melo back on a more friendly deal

Look, Bron, Wade & Bosh all passed on max deals to win. Melo has stated he would take less to win

I dont think its ridiculous to ask the dude to take a pay cut to stay in NY - basically every other team that wants him would do the same, and he has no loyalty to them

It wouldn't make any sense for Melo to take a pay cut. That roster isn't equipped to compete anytime soon.
 

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Don't do this to yourself. You seem like a nice kid. I'm not looking for a problem from the teenage knickstape brigade. I already lived through these decisions. A decade of awful before we cleared the decks, and then the only success you've ever seen. Problem was, we made some bad investments. Amar'e got hurt, Tyson fell apart in the playoffs...But we got a 2 seed out of it, had an exciting season and a half... that's good.

Next time around, you try to make better decisions. The MISTAKE you're trying to REPEAT is why we were a laughing stock through the aughts. I know it because I watched it happen with Ewing, with Allan Houston... it took a decade to get out of the tunnel. Now we're out, so you focus on what got you there: Smartly Managing the cap... and using your picks to draft talent.
Nicca I'm not no teen I was in the garden when we had othella Harrington . We had high draft picks and I saw what we accomplished with Gallo , frye and sweetney it didn't work . You guys talkin like we had no draft picks at all. That's fine if you want to try that tactic again I don't the odds are Bad same way oden didn't Pan out and we just missed stat and curry it's that easy . Don't act like melo = bad financial decisions of the 2000s wen we had more success with melo than the team from 2001 on. Your making it seem like signing melo is a bad decision but your basing it off completely different teams and scenarios so disagree if you want but don't condescend breh , you were already wrong trying to act like wade wasn't on the heat then opted out and resigned and act like pierce wasn't a top talent when they teamed him with the big 3 , but even that was the old CBA where it was easier to trade players .
Don't do this to yourself. You seem like a nice kid. I'm not looking for a problem from the teenage knickstape brigade. I already lived through these decisions. A decade of awful before we cleared the decks, and then the only success you've ever seen. Problem was, we made some bad investments. Amar'e got hurt, Tyson fell apart in the playoffs...But we got a 2 seed out of it, had an exciting season and a half... that's good.

Next time around, you try to make better decisions. The MISTAKE you're trying to REPEAT is why we were a laughing stock through the aughts. I know it because I watched it happen with Ewing, with Allan Houston... it took a decade to get out of the tunnel. Now we're out, so you focus on what got you there: Smartly Managing the cap... and using your picks to draft talent.

I think they have made it clear they would take Melo back on a more friendly deal

Look, Bron, Wade & Bosh all passed on max deals to win. Melo has stated he would take less to win

I dont think its ridiculous to ask the dude to take a pay cut to stay in NY - basically every other team that wants him would do the same, and he has no loyalty to them
They can ask but he doesnt have to oblige if Phil isn't presenting him a actual plan of what he's going to do with the paycut . ( this is all moot because people are talking as if melo said he won't resign without a max deal it's all speculation ) the heat took a paycut while knowing they all wanted to play with each other that's completely different than telling melo take a paycut for love who most likely will be traded , rondo who may resign if they get love and LA who has a good team and another top star . Kd is 2 years away and why would he come here with no help ? Who is this cap space supposed to lure exactly ?
I got love for you @23statcity but go take cold mental shower & try to digest all this logic that's been thrown at you this evening. Tell your friends.
it's not logic it's opinion . I'm not having this argument with you guys cause I doubt in 2 years you'll fess up if your preferred way of team building doesn't work
 

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it's not logic it's opinion . I'm not having this argument with you guys cause I doubt in 2 years you'll fess up if your preferred way of team building doesn't work

It's not logical to think that signing a thirty year old to a five year contract who has ended the last two seasons injured might be a bad investment?

It's not logical to want to pay Carmelo Anthony less money than Lebron James?

It's not logical to not want Carmelo to make up more than 25% of the Knicks' salary cap?
 

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The Melo plan already failed.
They gave melo a good team one year !! And we won 54 games . They never paired him with another top talent so how'd it fail?
Most people don't believe a 30 year old one-dimensional scorer is a top 5 most valuable asset in the league. You're the only one in the Coli who finds this hard to believe.
he's not one dimensional he's just not bron
 

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Like that was a good trio :mjlol:
 

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All that "I'm from NY", "This is home" bullshyt bravado when he signed:pacspit:...........Melo can go fukk off & latch onto some better players to try and win a ring instead of trying to carve out a legacy of his own at The Mecca :camby:.
Knew this was happening when rumors started mid-season & he responded with some bullshyt "I don't know what I'm going to do but I have never experienced free-agency, I want to see what it's like to be wined & dined by teams":aicmon: Dafuq kind of grown ass multi-millionaire says shyt like that?????
 

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It's not logical to think that signing thirty year old who has ended the last two seasons injured to a five year contract might be a bad investment?
He didn't have his season ended due to injuries like say the younger rose and plays more than Bledsoe . He knows how to deal with his shoulders
 

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All that "I'm from NY", "This is home" bullshyt bravado when he signed:pacspit:...........Melo can go fukk off & latch onto some better players to try and win a ring instead of trying to carve out a legacy of his own at The Mecca :camby:.
Knew this was happening when rumors started mid-season & he responded with some bullshyt "I don't know what I'm going to do but I have never experienced free-agency, I want to see what it's like to be wined & dined by teams":aicmon: Dafuq kind of grown ass multi-millionaire says shyt like that?????
Look in the Knicks thread they posted the video of melo saying he wanted to stay in NYC recently calm down
 
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