Melo: There’s an argument to rank Steph above Bron

[lib123]

Shaq was checked out but averaged 27 on 63% shooting against Ben Wallace

If you actually watched those games Shaq wasn’t dominating as far as overall impact on both sides of the ball like he should’ve during that series.

 

[feelosofer]

If Steph is above LeBron that also arguably puts his him over Kobe is the Coli cool with that?

 

[CHICAGO]

If Steph is above LeBron that also arguably puts his him over Kobe is the Coli cool with that?

MELO GAVE YOU HIS LIST
SO WHY ARE YALL COMING IN HERE
CREATING FAKE ARGUMENTS WITH
COLI MEMBERS?

REACH OUT TO MELO
ON IG AND TELL HIM THIS


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[FlimFlam]

Nobody cares about Kobe’s sidekick rings

Imagine counting a ring where you were putting up Cutino Mobley numbers.

Kobe has had a hell of an image trajectory lol

From overcoming that Colorado bullshyt and becoming a media darling afterwards....over time becoming allegedly better than Shaq etc etc

It's one for the annals

RIP

 

[bear27]

Wow
Melo thinks Steph is better than bean



Actually he'd be correct about that

 

[Jerz-2]

MELO GAVE YOU HIS LIST
SO WHY ARE YALL COMING IN HERE
CREATING FAKE ARGUMENTS WITH
COLI MEMBERS?​

Why do these cats keep ignoring this?

 

[Born2BKing]

Does Tim Duncan deserve to be considered a possible greatest of all time? Of course. A relative good number of players do. It's a pointless conversation, that will never have an answer, but will never go away because it conveniently let's people look like they're talking about sports when actual games are the furthest topic of discussion on their minds.

This. Best to just have your personal list and move on.

 

[murksiderock]

How are players like Magic, Duncan and even Shaq himself left out of those convos?

The NBA, its media, and all of its media partners (Gatorade, Nike, etc) are the ones who crafted the narrative that Michael Jordan was not only the GOAT, but that there would never be anyone greater. They sold that depiction to everyone and fans ate it up---->there was no one before him who was better, there would be no one after him who could be better.

This is chickens coming home to roost for that, because for ~30 years we (as a Basketball Culture) have minimized the contributions of anyone else deserving of that conversation who isn't Mike. That includes the three names you mentioned, among others.

My personal stance remains unchanged, that there is a "GOAT tier" of players in NBA history who stand above all, and that within that group, there is one guy at the top. I don't share the opinion that just any All-Time great player has an argument as the greatest player ever, but that's the thing, the topic is fluid and subjective and everybody has their own criteria they weight differently.

This is the chickens coming home to roost because those who believe Steph has a seat at the table will also have to believe that someone with a less extraordinary career will deserve a seat, and then it just goes from there.

Duncan got five in Kobe’s era too so does he deserve to be in the discuss as well?

You have to know the logic with these nikkas is hypocritical. You're right, in the sense that if Steph/Bron gets Steph a seat at the table, Duncan/Kobe has to get Duncan a seat, if someone has this belief system, but see below:

Nope

Of course alot of these nikkas are basketball hypocrites

 

[murksiderock]

In the last decade Steph has twice as many championships, more mvps, more scoring titles, and literally beat LeBron 3 times in the finals

Well no, 1999 and 2014 aren’t in the decade. Kobe is 4-1 against the spurs in the 2000s. 2001,2002,2004, and 2008. This is when Kobe and Duncan were in their prime. So no, Duncan still wouldn’t have an arguement

It's December of 2015, so the last decade begins with the 2015-16 season, in which Steph has 3-2 ring count, 1-0 MVP count. But this is arbitrary, Steph is in his 17th year.

If you're gonna break down his career you gotta break down that LeBron is 6 years older and had an MVP and Finals appearance before Steph got in The League.

So if the argument is that Steph is greater than LeBron and its strictly a numbers thing, did he close the gap with LeBron with numbers once his career began?

I don't have to do the work for you, the answer is no besides your ring count, which they are both 4 since Steph started, he gets smoked in any other numbers game of relevance.

And that's before you add other basketball criteria that matter outside the numbers.

1999 and 2014 were still in Kobe's career so they are fair game, but this is the problem with making championships your end all, be all. You have to move your standard because you don't hold it consistently.

Your math would still be Kobe 4, Duncan 3 if it was within the 00s, because 2010 is not the 00s decade. But I see it also matters not to you that those early 00s team were not Kobe's teams, but Duncan being the best player on all of his first 4 titles, you ignore gleefully.

It's MJ, Bron, KAJ.....

After that, you can argue Wilt/Magic/Duncan/Kobe/Hakeem etc.

Too many LA nikkas try to put Kobe in that Mt. Rushmore conversation. He can't be in that conversation when he is not even the best player in his OWN franchises history. Kobe might be the 3rd best Laker and I'm not even including Elgin Baylor, Shaq, The Logo etc.

If Dirk had 4 rings, would anyone consider better than Bron, Kobe etc? No.

Why? Defense.

Welp, same shyt applies to Curry...and Dirk had to carry his squads in a way that Steph never did.

Bron gets hate because he actually has a case against MJ. Not saying he's better but you can make a legit argument. Kobe and Curry CANNOT pass MJ, so all the MJ stans hype them up to diminish Bron...then blame Bron stans like that's the reason.

to me there are only 2 legitimate names in the conversation of greatest player ever. Everybody else, including Kobe, have no case as greatest PLAYER ever, they are in that GOAT tier exclusive class of like 8 to 10 guys, but they have no case as greatest player ever.

Last paragraph is 100% what the play is with these guys.

I wouldn't say there's an argument but I would argue that Steph had an opportunity but botched it. 2016 was the litmus test he never recovered from until 2022, at which point it was more about entering the top 10/surpassing KD.

Had he played better and won the 2016 title and Finals MVP, which would mean beating LeBron and KD in back-to-back series + winning unanimous MVP + beating the 72-10 Bulls' record... that would be the greatest individual season of all time. And would set him up for a chance to threepeat in 2017.

But once he botched it and recruited KD... the narrative switched from possibly being you're better than LeBron (if you'd won) to you needed KD to beat LeBron (and KD needed a stacked team to win anything)... LeBron won the war at that point.

 

[High quality poster]

It's December of 2015, so the last decade begins with the 2015-16 season, in which Steph has 3-2 ring count, 1-0 MVP count. But this is arbitrary, Steph is in his 17th year.

If you're gonna break down his career you gotta break down that LeBron is 6 years older and had an MVP and Finals appearance before Steph got in The League.

So if the argument is that Steph is greater than LeBron and its strictly a numbers thing, did he close the gap with LeBron with numbers once his career began?

I don't have to do the work for you, the answer is no besides your ring count, which they are both 4 since Steph started, he gets smoked in any other numbers game of relevance.

And that's before you add other basketball criteria that matter outside the numbers.

1999 and 2014 were still in Kobe's career so they are fair game, but this is the problem with making championships your end all, be all. You have to move your standard because you don't hold it consistently.

Your math would still be Kobe 4, Duncan 3 if it was within the 00s, because 2010 is not the 00s decade. But I see it also matters not to you that those early 00s team were not Kobe's teams, but Duncan being the best player on all of his first 4 titles, you ignore gleefully.

to me there are only 2 legitimate names in the conversation of greatest player ever. Everybody else, including Kobe, have no case as greatest PLAYER ever, they are in that GOAT tier exclusive class of like 8 to 10 guys, but they have no case as greatest player ever.

Last paragraph is 100% what the play is with these guys.

nikka really typed all that

 

[Cryptocurrency Scarface]

How are players like Magic, Duncan and even Shaq himself left out of those convos?

I don’t know why but I read this as Mike Dunleavy being left out of the conversation

 

[Ozymandeas]

Just imagine how hard life must be being this low iq.

First off, this entire forums demographic is 35+ years old and they’ve had registration closed forever. Logically speaking, it’s misrepresentative of how the general populous feels on certain subject matters. Which is why LeBron is so strongly disliked, because the majority of folks here feel his existence threatens the nikkas (Kobe/MJ) they dikkrode in their youth.

Secondly, social media has been around a long time now and is no longer a young man’s game.

Source

There’s a significantly larger portion of 30+ year olds on X—which is the largest propaganda vehicle for sports talk—than there are young folks you fukking bozo

Thirdly, how in the world can young people be dominating the media? Last I checked almost all the biggest talking heads in sports are old heads.

Fourth off, Gen Z and Gen Alpha largely have LeBron as the GOAT so “your time is coming” makes no sense if anything the mystique and aura around Jordan that old heads have spent the last 30 fukking years maintaining is starting to come undone.

Fifth, pretty much every single outlet and publication has LeBron at second all time at worst. Even the god damn AIs will tell you that

No bigger loser in sports than a Kobe Stan. So insecure spending every day of your lives bringing down other players/saying “what about Kobe???”

What a deranged psycho

Nikka got charts, graphs and citations

 

[VegetasHairline]

Bron stans love writing walls of text.

 

[Ozymandeas]

If Steph is above LeBron that also arguably puts his him over Kobe is the Coli cool with that?

Steph got it out the mud UNLIKE other people so while I don’t think he’s better than Kobe. It’s a lot easier to accept. I promise alot of Kobe types respect Steph more than you think.

 

[Trojan 24]

If Steph is above LeBron that also arguably puts his him over Kobe is the Coli cool with that?

Yes