I'll concede that Bird get more props for being a white player but during Jordan's rookie year, Bird was on his first of 3 straight MVPs while leading the C's to a league best record and a NBA finals berth.
just the fact you tried this whole split shyt up shyt..shows you really not adept at these convos and I know you really ain't had these convos in real time versus no real bball aficionados at all ever like me.
I will go through here and show you your disconnect cause I know one exists because this Gen does not dig in the crate. When the crate got an interface, new digital field to search and resembles the Pixar digital look you nikkaz all been fooled into thinking is the only look. Yet and still I will go through just to show you and present what you don't know and to ramp. I give full shyt and since you took the time albeit misguided and full of disconnect. I will take the time to learn you young in.
Art Barr
I.AM.PIFF said:
This seems more like an aesthetic preference than being most effective on the court.
since you took this out of context.
Just to think you know but don't imma easily squelch this.
I know you could have never seen nique. Plus really do not have a good frame of reference. To even speak on this. As stylistically Harold minor looked good but Kobe was able to establish the difference between style and execution. I think you missed the whole Jordan clone thing before Kobe. So right here it shows you gotta disconnect.
As we discussing nique but you downplaying him just off top. Lets me know you never saw the shyt like that.
Plus you don't know nique lead the league in scoring vfore Jordan. So if nique was that guy before mike as a skill player. When did the other players trump nique as a skill player.
There is a reason I outline the goat argument numerous times here. Plus explain the connotation of what the goat is.
as it was created to misappropriate bill Russell for bird.
In that, you fell into the white media created bird argument.
Bird is bird on here because I fleshed bird out here, in this realm.
As a skill player, team player and world builder and his reputation. Before I did that people discredited bird, here.
So all the bird love is based off of me.
So anyone trying to use bird out of context I know off top.
Plus how it easily trickles down to nique.
so now here we are with nique. Who was a better actual skill player than bird. Bird had better resources, he was not a better skill player than nique.
I.AM.PIFF said:
Your wording is always confusing. Are you implying Magic is the 2nd greatest point guard of all time after Dr. J?
NO, you missed that after dr j and magic.
Was nique.
Before Michael.
That is what you missed.
You told on yourself.
It is like when people try to post about po pimp twista and don't know about prt's rock this fukkee joint playing into whom twista is at his core.
Same here, you should know how and what happened from the grassroots and be prescient about that knowledge. In this instance, your NBA history skips over the players between dr j to magic/bird to Michael.
Which is why you have disconnect on nique of all people.
When mike was around even with magic and bird and drj. The next topic of discussion was nique and he was singularly the next best player after mike and before mike singularly the best skill plauer. He was evolved dr j.
You are talking about history.
as if it is a children us public school based social studies book. That just goes from BC to ad in a paragraph and picture of a dinosaur to explain the difference. You are missing kernels of the grassroots journey.
At least in bball, we can definitively go back and see the skill players and your posting shows you skipped eras and ball players. shyt just the disservice to nique period is on display in this thread. Melo was never nique. He has comparison to nique because similarly mike/nique used to be transposed into bron/melo. Before the NYC eastern seaboard witch hunt of Melo began when he was a knick.
I.AM.PIFF said:
That's a large claim to make considering Nique wasn't even the ROY and didn't even make an all star game till his fourth year in the league. Bird & Mike were stars the instants they set foot in the league.
stop.
Back then in position nique was behind in team win and a look compared to guys with winning proven orgs and records to boot. This is an exposal because you should know the dispersal of power and why to even comment on this. Which you brought it up devoid of this knowledge. If you knew this and this is another example of your disconnect. You would have known this beforehand in a black basketball player discussion.
Plus real talk,....i am the only person who really talks about the real game of basketball in every aspect down to the parochial vs public and many more.
So I know that knowledge and braintrust is not present and it should be in anyone trying to speak bball outside of a corporate coded realm. You are missing that and I have to explain that. When if you are adept at bball convos. Then you would have never spoke on it.
You have a disconnect to the GAME OF BASKETBALL. Where I know and am indepthly talking about the full game of basketball. As it goes from just the actual idea of the game and into the variables of play from race, parochial/public, skill, outsider art/organized etc.
You are just talking about sports players with no real indepth knowledge about the full game of basketball. It is a game there beyond the game. That if we talking basketball you should know.
You have the disconnect and i pointed it out and how you can dissolve those points of disconnect as well.
I.AM.PIFF said:
I'll be 29 in a few months. Too young maybe but we have enough access to tapes, games, articles and whatnot to make a fair judgment
with this said,...
I will take this as the completely obvious explanation as to your disconnect. At least you admit this in some way.
I.AM.PIFF said:
Are you saying both Dr.J & Nique are better 1-on-1 players? I'd more than happily agree but basketball is a 5-on-5 sport and I'd value Bird's contributions over them, especially when it comes to passing and shooting the ball (and other intangibles
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Bird did have his fair share of playoff duds (especially in his early career), but so did Nique who only got past the 1st round 3 times in his career and never went beyond the 2nd round.
Ignoring Bird for a second, yall taking these 2 over Bron? :dahellbill: or even Durant?
Really now?
I don't have Bird as a GOAT, at best I have him as a lower end top 10 player.
Yes, there is no way some of those players like Sharman or Bing (among others) should've been there above him.
Am I bugging or do you have him as the 3rd greatest player ever?
ALL the later information you asked me about in your reply is from your lack of knowledge on the source material.
Plus a self admitted you don't have the brain trust to draw from. Nor have you ramped because you never said you have access like you did it. You said in this day and age we have access. So you told on yourself there as well.
The problems with things now are people who have disconnect and no way to gain knowledge to be prescient about what they missed being given the reigns to the carriage and don't know horses or buggies. Just like rap, where the consumer is made to perpetuate this disconnect unknowingly. Except in bball we see the reporters and know they don't know wtf they were talembout either. outside of scoop Jackson as analyst. So I already know the disconnect in definitely hoops and hiphop. It is on full display here, unknowingly to even a good poster because of age. What I am saying is go back and look at the shyt from the start and compare. I lived it but i urge you and everyone to go relive because the mediums gateway wise to get you there. Are never going to fill in the real blanks.
The blank is,....
In history nique is not credited because of racism and the misappropriated goat title from bill Russell. That the Boston media given that time.
felt was never going to be defeated, nor shown up from a skillplayer level. When in reality. Anyone watching basketball knows the deck stacked against any team to beat the Celts. Plus what that entails wholeheartedly in THE GAME OF organized play in BASKETBALL.
In that is why nique is not given his just due.
It is why hordes of great ball players are left out.
when they should be discussed. Including creating a large horde of models of success to be successful from.
It is a complete disservice, to skill players in bball. Not to mention one of the all time best skill players in nique.
Like when did someone in the NBA get better than nique in that era before injury. Let alone the idiot front office ruined it and also created why nique was injured because they would not staff the team properly. Which lead to him being injured and took him out of the pocket of media realm discussion and his real time stature as a player.
You guys underestimate the power of what mike did because you never saw it beforehand to have a frame of reference. Plus things are drastically different as far as telling the entire truth because of capitalism. Where even in that Jordan pushed things so far ahead admin wise in everything image related period as far as gaining a profit based return in any and everything. That nique should not get looked over but is dishearteningly left out. Yet in that nique should be blessed with his legacy being given it actual real proper weight.
Art Barr
To summarize for dummies needing cliffs.
You nikkaz did not even respect bird.
till I put that respect singlehandidly on his name here. Yet you not about to try to circumvent what I presented with bird.
to downplay the better actual player in nique.
Don't try to take my words and make it into some white boi myth disproportionate to the real.
nikkaz tweak'n on that.
Art Barr
whole lot of derpderpderp in here*
