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I defended Melo to just to defended him. Don’t matter. Somebody gotta do it and even the hate out. Cuz y’all hate on ole boy for sport with these fake debates
Melo vs Dominique Wilkins
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Kd plays in the low IQ era and before he colluded was getting thwarted by low IQ bball era teams of any championship type.
When Durant had way way more actualized resources and higher pedigreed parts at his disposal.
Yet never materialized or galvanized his group to succeed with more.
I see you never took that into account.
Kd is showcasing all of that because of his other people in the unit and the fact this is the low IQ era. At least we know nique legit never got anywhere because of actual scheme and logistic in the roster. Before Durant moved to Gs,...he was only successful because of his accompanying parts. He was doubted if he could succeed when Westbrook went down. Nique alternatively was playing against a much higher stacked deck than what Durant faced. Durant literally was touching the guantlet and decided he wanted to win playing how he envisioned him winning. Instead of seizing the day and opportunity.
So all this is he this or that. Under duress I know Durant gon wilt and defer.
At least I know for a fact nique is not going to defer and also not going to collude to essentially finally win as well.
Using kd as a topic to compare in a low IQ era offers you no upside whatsoever.
As he was not anymore skilled than anyone at the three four or two.
Plus he lacked the mental and physiological based edge to win like nique with higher actualized parts.
Nique beats bron and the heat with Westbrook and harden in the low bball IQ era.
Nique would have beat the warriors up 3-1, by accident when Durant colluded to thwart the thunder as well.
You can not ask me to ignore the collusion and not list that as a parameter of Durant's play.
Using Durant as this idea he is this untouchable ball player is a complete misnomer of the facts. Just like you do not know and only skimmed at best. Nique as a ball player.
Art Barr
So you basically went on a rant to finally not answer the question at hand?
Wilkins played only 2 seasons prior to Jordan coming and wasn't setting the world on fire in either of them.
In his rookie season he averaged 18/6/2 and lost out on rookie of the year to Terry Cummings.
His sophomore year, he upped that to 22/7/2 and still didn't make it to the ASG or All-NBA.
Both seasons his team lost in the 1st round (admittedly to much better squads).
So how was he the best player pre-Jordan? How Sway?
ABlackMan
Superstar
Disrespectful fools! Carmelo is the best Atlanta Hawk ever. He did so much for that franchise in so little time
Y'all really need to stop going back and forth with Art Barr 
He won't concede even though he's the only person defending his dumb ass position. We all know he's wrong, just let him think he's right and he will wander off into another thread and start rambling there.
He won't concede even though he's the only person defending his dumb ass position. We all know he's wrong, just let him think he's right and he will wander off into another thread and start rambling there.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
So you basically went on a rant to finally not answer the question at hand?
Wilkins played only 2 seasons prior to Jordan coming and wasn't setting the world on fire in either of them.
In his rookie season he averaged 18/6/2 and lost out on rookie of the year to Terry Cummings.
His sophomore year, he upped that to 22/7/2 and still didn't make it to the ASG or All-NBA.
Both seasons his team lost in the 1st round (admittedly to much better squads).
So how was he the best player pre-Jordan? How Sway?
Notice you left out, his scoring title and stopped.
Mike officially arrived as a Roy player with exceptional scoring next level for a rookie. With a rookie scoring average beyond most imagination.
Yet, while that occurred nique had ramped as the guy in 86.
Jordan immediately would take the scoring crown after that and add to his war chest tho.
Jordan was not the dominant skill player at that time.
till he later would surpass nique as a skill player through authenticating as the scoring champion.
So like I said before mike was viewed by you nonbball fan general public people. Nique was the last guy before Jordan's dominance and was the guy during Jordan's stellar accolade early first years in the league.
So like I said,...
If nique was that guy before Jordan.
When did this surpassing of nique at the three come from. It was not Scottie as a overall skill player and yousa got damn lie to say Scottie was seeing nique in any capacity at all. If you think so,....
How when Scottie ain't never duel no fukk'n bird under major duress.
Plus folded under duress to the pistons.
That is just for starters, and most importantly Scottie ain't never duel mike like nique, either. Nor, was Scottie going to risk being a lone wolf either. To the point that luckily if not for Jordan and Jackson coup threatening connection. Scottie would have been replaced with tmac. You trying to tell me Scottie on tmac level, breh.
If Scottie not on tmac level...then how the fukk is Scottie on fukk'n nique level.
Like I said,...
Nique was that guy and only players I am taking over nique all time after Jordan is:
Dr j
Connie Hawkins
You can believe the bullshyt eastern seaboard media all you want. shyt we even here because of how demonstrative NYC is to Melo, erroneously, just for starters. Yet I am supposed to believe this same eastern seaboard media will be nice to nique of all people all time.
Stop.
Art Barr
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I'll concede that Bird get more props for being a white player but during Jordan's rookie year, Bird was on his first of 3 straight MVPs while leading the C's to a league best record and a NBA finals berth.
This seems more like an aesthetic preference than being most effective on the court.
Your wording is always confusing. Are you implying Magic is the 2nd greatest point guard of all time after Dr. J?
That's a large claim to make considering Nique wasn't even the ROY and didn't even make an all star game till his fourth year in the league. Bird & Mike were stars the instants they set foot in the league.
I'll be 29 in a few months. Too young maybe but we have enough access to tapes, games, articles and whatnot to make a fair judgment
Are you saying both Dr.J & Nique are better 1-on-1 players? I'd more than happily agree but basketball is a 5-on-5 sport and I'd value Bird's contributions over them, especially when it comes to passing and shooting the ball (and other intangibles)
Bird did have his fair share of playoff duds (especially in his early career), but so did Nique who only got past the 1st round 3 times in his career and never went beyond the 2nd round.
Ignoring Bird for a second, yall taking these 2 over Bron? :dahellbill: or even Durant?
Really now?
I don't have Bird as a GOAT, at best I have him as a lower end top 10 player.
Yes, there is no way some of those players like Sharman or Bing (among others) should've been there above him.
Am I bugging or do you have him as the 3rd greatest player ever?
If u have bird as a top 10 player then u have him as a goat
IllmaticDelta
Veteran
Nique was better the Melo point blank period
invincible1914
G.O.M.A.B.
Nique was never better than any of those dudes, but I respect him more than all of those guys. Honestly, his game would have translated so well to today's NBA. His stats would have been way higher today. I would take him over Melo because he's a better oversll basketball player and much better leader. Plus he still reps ATL to this day.nikka said Nique was better than Bird, Bron and KD....
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