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Finally started the McMahon doc. Autistic Dave in episode 2 fact checking all the numbers and milestones of Wrestlemania 3

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Honestly Dave came across better than most in that doc (him, Bret and Tony Atlas were MVPs)

Once you get him speaking about history and can edit out the autistic rambling, he ain't so bad.
 
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Doesn't make what he said any less true. He still has more knowledge about that side of the business than Meltzer does.

I think AEW is clearly profitable now given what I've seen from Forbes and Variety and other non-dirtsheet publications.

We know how much WCW was losing money due to court filings etc...
 

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Bischoff is goofball and a charlatan but he's completely on the money with Meltzer. And i say this as someone who defended Meltzer in the past but with each passing year his credibility sinks to a new low. And this not only questions his current "reporting", but also suggests his past work isn't legit either. He has ruined whatever legacy he had since AEW came into existance.

Dude is on twitter posting like one of them Drainmaker /AO freaks. It's fukking embarrassing. :heh:

And for the AEW superstans calling out Bischoff for his failures at WCW, then i'm sure you will agree then that the only person who is qualified to speak about business in wrestling is Vince McMahon, as he is the only person in American wrestling who was able to run a profitable business for a long period of time and not go out of business :sas1:
 

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I think AEW is clearly profitable now given what I've seen from Forbes and Variety and other non-dirtsheet publications.

We know how much WCW was losing money due to court filings etc...
Profitable how? Renting out 20k seat arenas where 2-3k show up is a huge money loss, the video game was a complete bust, and the ppv numbers are private.
 
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Profitable how? Renting out 20k seat arenas where 2-3k show up is a huge money loss, the video game was a complete bust, and the ppv numbers are private.

Doesn't matter, their TV revenue in the U.S. and abroad has more than 2x since they started the company. It's exactly how WWE continued to grow in the 2010s even when ticket sales plummeted and ratings cratered.
 

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The "it's more profitable than any other promotion outside of WWE" argument is just as dumb as when sports talking heads start talking about how today's athletes are better than the ones in the past.

It's an obvious statement that doesn't factor in the historical context. AEW will get a fukk ton of money thanks to TV deals because the company is lucky enough to be in an Era were TV content is key and has become by leaps and bounds the main source of income for a wrestling company.

For almost a century, that was not the case for wrestling, and promotions lived and died with ticket sales, later it added merchandise and for like 2 decades it was PPV buys + ticket sales + merch + TV, with TV deals being pretty low on the totem pole.

If companies like AJW, AAA, All Japan , CMLL. New Japan, and WCW had their peaks in an era were media companies were willing to pay hundreds of millions of dollars for their highly rated TV product, then they would've gotten a much bigger deal than what AEW is getting right now.

Just like when NBA talking heads debate over 80's and 90's players not being as good as today's because "they couldn't shoot 3 pointers like current players", not factoring in that a bunch of great players of the past would've been great 3 point shooters today if the game asked them to be that kind of player. Or that Bill Russell wouldn't be dominant today when we had Draymond Green be a huge dominant factor on defense for like half a decade. It's all about historical context.
Profitable how? Renting out 20k seat arenas where 2-3k show up is a huge money loss, the video game was a complete bust, and the ppv numbers are private.
By getting $180 millon a year just on U.S TV deals alone.
 

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The "it's more profitable than any other promotion outside of WWE" argument is just as dumb as when sports talking heads start talking about how today's athletes are better than the ones in the past.

It's an obvious statement that doesn't factor in the historical context. AEW will get a fukk ton of money thanks to TV deals because the company is lucky enough to be in an Era were TV content is key and has become by leaps and bounds the main source of income for a wrestling company.

For almost a century, that was not the case for wrestling, and promotions lived and died with ticket sales, later it added merchandise and for like 2 decades it was PPV buys + ticket sales + merch + TV, with TV deals being pretty low on the totem pole.

If companies like AJW, AAA, All Japan , CMLL. New Japan, and WCW had their peaks in an era were media companies were willing to pay hundreds of millions of dollars for their highly rated TV product, then they would've gotten a much bigger deal than what AEW is getting right now.

Just like when NBA talking heads debate over 80's and 90's players not being as good as today's because "they couldn't shoot 3 pointers like current players", not factoring in that a bunch of great players of the past would've been great 3 point shooters today if the game asked them to be that kind of player. Or that Bill Russell wouldn't be dominant today when we had Draymond Green be a huge dominant factor on defense for like half a decade. It's all about historical context.

By getting $180 millon a year just on U.S TV deals alone.
Do we know what their expenses are? Only thing I've seen is the shyt Meltzer erroneously thought was real but was someone just spitballing on his forum.
 

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Do we know what their expenses are? Only thing I've seen is the shyt Meltzer erroneously thought was real but was someone just spitballing on his forum.
We don't nor we will ever know until there's a court case that will force them to release financial numbers. The closest we've gotten to a serious person doing any sort of projection is Brandon Thurston, and even he would admit he was basically spitballing and doing informed guesses.

But to reach the "most profitable promotion ever outside of WWE" threshold, AEW would only have to be 30+ million in profit (WCW's best year). I would assume it's safe to guess they are not having 151 million in expenses each year as there's not a lot judge were they would be spending that much money yearly, plus they still have successful shows at least once a month with their PPVs, and some of them are big money makers like Revolution and All In this year.
 
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